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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    So, for hundreds of years, the marriage "definition" has been wrong and 'discriminatory'? Only now do "wise" judges see this? How do these "wise" judges see polygamy? The constitution lists (enumerates) federal powers as well, yet you see no compelling reason to stay within them if a "wise" judge finds "harm" in doing so. The SCOTUS did not overturn "slavery", clearly a moral wrong and civil rights violation of the greatest possible magnitude (allowing people to be the property of others), it took constitutional action (and a war) to settle that "legal" matter, not the mere dictate of the SCOUTS.
    Yes. Just like for hundreds of years interracial marriage bans were wrong and discriminatory. It took several SCOTUS decisions to overturn interracial marriage bans. SC Justices are still human, still fallible. On many issues, it is easy to tell when the SC decision is the right one. People go on with their lives and support for the decision continually increases over time until it reaches a point where it absolutely could be enshrined in the Constitution just for the hell of it.
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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That is the priamary reason for the constitution, to say what is (and what is not) a federal power. Marraige is NOT mentioned in the constitution, therefore it is a state issue. The constitution is clear on the matter of race, it may not be used to ban entering into a contract, however gender is not seen as 'equally' protected, as we may still have 'separate but equal' things based on gender.
    And the 14th Amendment applied the US Constitution to state governments as well. We realized that it was stupid to limit the federal government from stepping on the rights of the people but still allow states to step on those rights.
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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And government contracts must adhere the EPC of the 14th Amendment. That means the states must show an important state interest in denying people a right to marriage based on their relative sexes.
    What compelling state interest allows charging a citizen $140 to keep their right to carry a handgun (a constitutional right)?
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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    So, for hundreds of years, the marriage "definition" has been wrong and 'discriminatory'? Only now do "wise" judges see this? How do these "wise" judges see polygamy? The constitution lists (enumerates) federal powers as well, yet you see no compelling reason to stay within them if a "wise" judge finds "harm" in doing so. The SCOTUS did not overturn "slavery", clearly a moral wrong and civil rights violation of the greatest possible magnitude (allowing people to be the property of others), it took constitutional action (and a war) to settle that "legal" matter, not the mere dictate of the SCOUTS.
    It wouldn't be the first time that the definition of marriage has been ruled wrong and discriminatory. Loving vs Virginia.
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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And the 14th Amendment applied the US Constitution to state governments as well. We realized that it was stupid to limit the federal government from stepping on the rights of the people but still allow states to step on those rights.
    What about the 10th amendment that specifically gives the states power to do what the federal gov't may not? The constitution gives the federal gov't certain specified powers, leaving all others to the states or granting them to the people directly (prohibing either the federal or state gov't from limitting them). Marraige is NOT a right of the people, it is a right of the state, confered as a privilege, after meeting the state conditions and paying a fee, only to the approved people. You have no more of a right to be married than to drive a car, only that once being married, the state can not revoke/suspend that permit as easily as a driver's license.
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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So marriage is needed for such thing? I really don't care if you are married or if you are a military spouse, btw
    What is the alternative? I had to get married in order to put my wife on my orders. Should I be able to just put whoever I want on my orders? Keep in mind that the US government will spend tens of thousands of dollars on moving whoever is on my orders from assignment to assignment.

    Also, my wife was a foreign national. We had to get married in order for her to obtain resident status and be able to live in the coutnry with me. What alternative would you recommend?

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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What compelling state interest allows charging a citizen $140 to keep their right to carry a handgun (a constitutional right)?
    Challenge the damn law. Personally I am very pro-2nd Amendment, but since I currently don't own a gun, the law also doesn't apply to me.

    You seem to have a problem with understanding how constitutional challenges work. I'm all for challenging unreasonable gun laws over and over again. Go for it. But that has nothing to do with the current challenges actually at the SC level dealing with ssm. The state has an obligation in showing what state interest it is upholding in those bans.
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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What about the 10th amendment that specifically gives the states power to do what the federal gov't may not? The constitution gives the federal gov't certain specified powers, leaving all others to the states or granting them to the people directly (prohibing either the federal or state gov't from limitting them).
    The 14th Amendment trumps the 10th when it comes to EP. That is the reason we no longer have segregation or interracial marriage bans.
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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Oh really? Then please explain constitutionally "separate but equal" for gender specific restrooms, prison cells, sports and military physical fitness standards, yet NOT for race.
    If it had been left up to the states, we would still have race specific restrooms, and restaurants, and hotels, and just about everything else in at least one section of the country.
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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The 14th Amendment trumps the 10th when it comes to EP. That is the reason we no longer have segregation or interracial marriage bans.
    Yet both segregation and inter-racial marriage bans survived the enactment of the 14th Amendment by about a hundred years.
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