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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    I voted YES as marriage has always been a province of state law.
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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    In my time on this site, I'd be hard pressed to find a quote farther detached from reality.
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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I suppose that with all the gay and tranny propaganda being pumped out on ABC,CBS,NBC,FOX and other liberal entertainment channels there will be lots of idiots to support legalizing gay marriage.
    your humor is appreciated.

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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Do you not understand level of scrutiny? The state(s) have shown an important state interest in keeping gender separation for those things. They do not have any such interest or proof to be supporting such interest in same sex marriage bans.
    The will of the people through their votes and actions of the state legisalture are no longer to be considered? Only a wise judge may have the final word? Does that judge now have the power to decide that the constitution need not specifically address these things, to make them become federal powers? This 'logic' gives the federal gov't, actually only the judical branch of it, supreme power over ALL legal issues, without that pesky need to refer to the acual words of our constitution. In other words, if a wise judge, does not see "interest" in the law it is nullified or amended to fit the "interest" of only that judge?
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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The 'same-sex' variety of marriage is not "fundamental to [human's] basic survival".....
    only married couples have kids?

    only maried couples can have children?

    whatever bro.

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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Look at this from a constitutional stand point. Marriage is a public record. The full faith and credit clause requires all states to recognize all other states public records. So if one were to marry in Mass it has to be recognized in Miss.
    DOMA is unconstitutional because it goes against the FF&C.
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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    the thing about marriage, is that its an issue of mutual consent. two adults seek to engage in a legal contract with each other.

    there are financial & other legal elements to this.

    but, how would I feel about a State having the right to ban inter-racial marriage?

    would I want the Feds to step in and ban such a law?

    somethings, like slavery, where rhe rights of others are totally denied.....can't be left to States.

    but what happens when a State is on the Progressive side of an issue, say much of the Northeast & Slavery during the early 1800s...but the SCOTUS is on the Conservative side..and supports the right to own slaves?

    wanting to leave big decisions up to the Feds can be a double-edged sword, and I think that many folks want to leave the issue of SSM to SCOTUS and the Feds because they believe that the current-day Feds and SCOTUS will find in favor of SSM.

    however, if we had a Conservative administation and a Conservative court, I think the same folks would instead want SSM left to the states.

    its becuase of this, that I right now...at this very moment...think it should probably be left to each state to decide by referendum.

    however, my views on this issue are fluid.
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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    SCOTUS disagrees with your opinion, in Loving v. Virginia.
    And this Court is very likely to change that decision. The SC is not infallible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yes, and in America these couples brake up their children's home far more frequently than their married counterparts. An argument could be made for criminalizing procreation out of wedlock as child abuse since the damage is clearly documented.
    An unrealistic goal. People are not going to stop having children out of wedlock just because you don't agree with them or even because of this perceived damage. We should not be criminalizing what "might" happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I said: "reasonable expectation". I used that term for a reason. I think now you may get it.
    And it is only a reasonable expectation in your opinion. Almost a quarter of married couples today do not have children, either because they can't or by choice. And there are even some state laws that say certain people cannot procreate together in order to legally get married.

    Legal marriage is not about procreation, it is about making legal families.
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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    Look at this from a constitutional stand point. Marriage is a public record. The full faith and credit clause requires all states to recognize all other states public records. So if one were to marry in Mass it has to be recognized in Miss.
    DOMA is unconstitutional because it goes against the FF&C.
    Good point, as it still leaves the constitution as the final word in federal law. Marraige is, and should continue to be, an issue of state law. Federal law and other states must honor the marraige contract of any state. It would be interesting to see if the existance of a 'civil union' contract could be required to be 'equated' to marriage, if so then polygamy is right around the corner.
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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    The issue really isn't about changing the law or the constitution to protect gay marriage. It's about recognizing that it already does.
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