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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    I want every state to legalize SSM, so my answer is 'yes'.
    Fortunately, you only live in one of them and have but one vote. ;-)
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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Opposite sex marriage is not truly "fundamental" to basic survival either, particularly not legal marriage.
    SCOTUS disagrees with your opinion, in Loving v. Virginia.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    People have children out of legal wedlock all the time.
    Yes, and in America these couples brake up their children's home far more frequently than their married counterparts. An argument could be made for criminalizing procreation out of wedlock as child abuse since the damage is clearly documented.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And people legally allowed to marry now both cannot and do not want to have/raise children.
    I said: "reasonable expectation". I used that term for a reason. I think now you may get it.

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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The 'same-sex' variety of marriage is not "fundamental to [human's] basic survival".

    The reason why opposite-sex marriage is "fundamental to [human's] basic survival" is due to opposite sex couple's reasonable expectation of procreation. Since the state's compelling interest in marriage is the raising and socializing of children, the state therefore has precedent to establish laws regulating marriage.

    No procreation can be reasonably expected from 2 people of the same sex, so the state has no compelling interest to regulate those relationships. As per the right to free association, the state is not allowed to ban relationships which are not otherwise harmful, so gays are free to live together, as they should be.
    Since when do civil rights have to be qualified as "fundamental to basic survival?"

    Marriage isn't a prerequisite to procreation, nor is fertility a prerequisite to marriage. I suppose infertile couples could hypothetically be barred from marriage as well?

    Debatable, the better question being what possible compelling interest does the State hold in barring same sex couples from entering into a legal contract?

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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    This is exactly how I feel about the right to keep and carry personal 'arms', so I empathize.
    Big difference there, as only the right to keep and bear arms, is in our constitution, so far. Many ignore that simple fact.
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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Since when do civil rights have to be qualified as "fundamental to basic survival?"

    Marriage isn't a prerequisite to procreation, nor is fertility a prerequisite to marriage. I suppose infertile couples could hypothetically be barred from marriage as well?

    Debatable, the better question being what possible compelling interest does the State hold in barring same sex couples from entering into a legal contract?
    The same as for not allowing polygamy, tradition and state law. Business 'partnership' contracts have no such provisions, limitting them to only two consenting adults.
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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yes, and in America these couples brake up their children's home far more frequently than their married counterparts. An argument could be made for criminalizing procreation out of wedlock as child abuse since the damage is clearly documented.
    In my time on this site, I'd be hard pressed to find a quote farther detached from reality.

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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And you would be wrong. It is about the state showing how such separations actually are helping to meet an important state interest. Plus, someone must challenge those things in order for them to reach the SC, who makes the final decision. The SC determines what is constitutional or not. It is highly likely that the SC will decide that same sex marriages do not meet any important or even reasonably relate to a state interest.
    That argument is insane, as it then makes EVERYTHING and ANYTHING into a "constitutional" federal power, as obviously all things legislated at any gov't level relate to a "state interest", or they would not be "state" law to begin with. Just because something "is" does not elevate it to a "federal" constitutional status.
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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Being both a married service member and a military spouse, I absolutely agree with this.
    So marriage is needed for such thing? I really don't care if you are married or if you are a military spouse, btw

    The majority of people and the law do not agree with you.
    So appeals to popularity mean something to you? Just so know, the failure of marriage is growing my numbers.

    And there are many more things that marriage does with one contract that would otherwise take many. It is very unlikely to go away anytime in the near future. Legal marriage is good for our society, including those involved, the legal system when it comes to family law, and government programs.
    Yes, that is what you keep saying..

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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    No i think it should be legal everywhere. Civil rights should not be a state issue.
    It is only a matter of civil rights if same-sex civil unions are not endowed with the same entitlements as heterosexual civil unions. Calling heterosexual civil unions a "marriage" and same-sex civil unions something else is not necessarily a civil rights violation.
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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Since when do civil rights have to be qualified as "fundamental to basic survival?"
    Marriage is a government contract. All this civil rights nonsense needs to stop.

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