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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So you agree with this? It seems completely unnecessary to me.
    Being both a married service member and a military spouse, I absolutely agree with this.

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    That is just not necessary.

    Lol why?

    Family and Medical Leave Act of 1993? That? I'm for destroying that.
    The majority of people and the law do not agree with you.

    And there are many more things that marriage does with one contract that would otherwise take many. It is very unlikely to go away anytime in the near future. Legal marriage is good for our society, including those involved, the legal system when it comes to family law, and government programs.
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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    We shouldn't vote on civil rights. So, no.
    The 'same-sex' variety of marriage is not "fundamental to [human's] basic survival".

    The reason why opposite-sex marriage is "fundamental to [human's] basic survival" is due to opposite sex couple's reasonable expectation of procreation. Since the state's compelling interest in marriage is the raising and socializing of children, the state therefore has precedent to establish laws regulating marriage.

    No procreation can be reasonably expected from 2 people of the same sex, so the state has no compelling interest to regulate those relationships. As per the right to free association, the state is not allowed to ban relationships which are not otherwise harmful, so gays are free to live together, as they should be.
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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I am against civil unions because a) it will likely take just as much, if not more time to get legal civil unions to the same legal level as legal marriage is now, with all the same rights and privileges and benefits that come with marriage and b) it will cost our government more to do this.

    We already have legal same sex marriage in some states. It is stupid to go back on that.

    Opposite sex couples, heterosexuals, nor religious people own the word marriage. Like it or not, legal marriage must respect the 14th Amendment Equal Protection clause. The bans against same sex marriage are against the 14th Amendment, and therefore need to be struck down.
    Nonsense. That same 'logic' would make ALL gender based laws ILLEGAL for "gender separate" restrooms, prison cells, sports and military service physical standards. We have long accepted the "separate but equal status of gender", but to make ANYTHING federal takes constitutional action, just as it did to give women the right to vote. Simply because something is popular, or deemed "fair" by a judge (or even all of them) does not make it a constitutional federal power.
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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    I want every state to legalize SSM, so my answer is 'yes'.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Marriage has already been ruled to fall under the 14th Amendment as far as equal protection goes. Since this is true, the federal government has a right, generally through the SC, to enforce the 14th Amendment on state laws regarding marriage.
    Oh really? Then please explain constitutionally "separate but equal" for gender specific restrooms, prison cells, sports and military physical fitness standards, yet NOT for race.
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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The 'same-sex' variety of marriage is not "fundamental to [human's] basic survival".

    The reason why opposite-sex marriage is "fundamental to [human's] basic survival" is due to opposite sex couple's reasonable expectation of procreation. The State's compelling interest in marriage is the raising and socializing of children.

    No procreation can be reasonably expected from 2 people of the same sex, so the state has no compelling interest to regulate those relationships. SSM is therefore a violation of the basic right to privacy.
    Opposite sex marriage is not truly "fundamental" to basic survival either, particularly not legal marriage. People have children out of legal wedlock all the time. And people legally allowed to marry now both cannot and do not want to have/raise children.
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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Oh really? Then please explain constitutional "separate but equal" for gender specific restrooms, prison cells, sports and military physical fitness standards.
    Do you not understand level of scrutiny? The state(s) have shown an important state interest in keeping gender separation for those things. They do not have any such interest or proof to be supporting such interest in same sex marriage bans.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Nonsense. That same 'logic' would make ALL gender based laws ILLEGAL for "gender separate" restrooms, prison cells, sports and military service physical standards. We have long accepted the "separate but equal status of gender", but to make ANYTHING federal takes constitutional action, just as it did to give women the right to vote. Simply because something is popular, or deemed "fair" by a judge (or even all of them) does not make it a constitutional federal power.
    And you would be wrong. It is about the state showing how such separations actually are helping to meet an important state interest. Plus, someone must challenge those things in order for them to reach the SC, who makes the final decision. The SC determines what is constitutional or not. It is highly likely that the SC will decide that same sex marriages do not meet any important or even reasonably relate to a state interest.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Individual rights should never be left up to the states.
    This is exactly how I feel about the right to keep and carry personal 'arms', so I empathize.

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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I suppose that with all the gay and tranny propaganda being pumped out on ABC,CBS,NBC,FOX and other liberal entertainment channels there will be lots of idiots to support legalizing gay marriage.
    Or perhaps they feel that gays shouldn't be treated as second class citizens? I know, I know, it may be personally inconvenient to actually consider the fact that individuals have different core values without chalking it up as "propaganda", but hey give it a shot sometime.

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