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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Possibly temporally. If it warrants national action of some sort, be in legislative or through the court, you need enough states that have accepted it in order to have enough credibility for it to be solid nationally. If not nationally, it is the only way to go through the states.
    Credibility would be more in line with it being the right thing to do, although as for it being sustainable, a majority of the public supports it now. True, not most states, but that's more a reflection on politicians being useless. Even Row v Wade, contentious as that remains, has stood for decades. Almost certainly if the SC made it legal nationally, it would quickly become a dead issue. There'd be some vocal whiners, but overall support would continue to climb. Then there's the fact many just don't care if it's "solid" but only that it's a right to have.

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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    Where's the option for "why the **** is this even an issue"?
    It will continue to be an issue as long as hetero married people gain a benefit that is denied to non-hetero married people.
    The largest on a federal level is the "married filed jointly" option.

    I, personally, feel it is a Right and therefore not subject to a vote or state restriction, but that is not what you asked.
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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    If I was trying to do that then I would do the same thing as them. Have you ever known me to call someone against SSM a homophobe? Of course not. I don't believe in that kind of behavior.
    While it's very easy to confuse you with any of the faceless foaming-at-the-mouth anti-religious pro-smm radicals, I don't have quotes of your posts handy so I'll have to let it go.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Church's have tax exempt status. Religious political movements are not a church. Indeed those that are religious often speak out against SSM and homosexuality in general all the time.
    That's all I'm saying, that just because a church (still not sure why we're talking about churches..religion =/= church) has a religious opinion doesn't mean it's attempting to dabble in politics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Considering what I said above would you still say "nope"?
    Yeah, I'm gona hold. A church having a religious opinion on an issue which also happens to be a political issue, doesn't mean the church is attempting to get it's hands in politics any more than it means politicians are trying to change religion by passing a policy.

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    I looked at your post again and I'm sorry, I just don't see it. Perhaps you could point it out to me?
    Right here:
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    A given SSM doesn't have to involve women at all.


    Pro-ssm argues that I should accept gay behavior. This would be a violation of my right to free religious expression. It's one thing to welcome and encourage folks to support gays, but pro-ssm goes further as to villainize, troll, and insult those of us who simply maintain a different religious opinion.

    Tolerance is a 2 way street.
    "Pro-ssm", just like you might use "pro-choice", as distinguished form a married couple who happens to be gay. A gay couple who doesn't care one way or the other about ssm might still take advantage where it's legal. This doesn't mean such a couple is affiliated with the political movement.
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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    It will continue to be an issue as long as hetero married people gain a benefit that is denied to non-hetero married people.
    The largest on a federal level is the "married filed jointly" option.

    I, personally, feel it is a Right and therefore not subject to a vote or state restriction, but that is not what you asked.
    It's an issue that only effects a percentage of 3.5% of the population. Gay marriage is only a red herring to detract from the real issues our nation is facing.
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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    It's an issue that only effects a percentage of 3.5% of the population. Gay marriage is only a red herring to detract from the real issues our nation is facing.
    I do agree with this. A candidates stance on SSM will have ZERO influence on my vote.

    Interestingly, I read an article written by a gay man a while ago that commented on how much money and effort was spent to get SSM passed and yet only a small fraction of gay couples actually got married. I am surfing via phone or I would try to find that source.
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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    It's an issue that only effects a percentage of 3.5% of the population. Gay marriage is only a red herring to detract from the real issues our nation is facing.
    IMO if even 1 person is denied a right for no valid reason out of a billion people then that is 1 to many. This country is based on individual rights...not mass rights.
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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    IMO if even 1 person is denied a right for no valid reason out of a billion people then that is 1 to many. This country is based on individual rights...not mass rights.
    This country is based on constitutionally specified individual rights, granted directly to the people, contitutionally specified federal powers and ALL other powers are left to the several states to decide. Marraige is neither a federal power nor an individual right, mentioned in the constitution, so it is therefore a state gov't power to set the standards for its contract terms. Just what constitutional right do you assert allows for SSM, that does not also allow for polygamy?
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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    It will continue to be an issue as long as hetero married people gain a benefit that is denied to non-hetero married people.
    The largest on a federal level is the "married filed jointly" option.

    I, personally, feel it is a Right and therefore not subject to a vote or state restriction, but that is not what you asked.
    Then simply change the tax law, that you cite as "unfair", not require a federal COURT edict to somehow allow ANY consenting adults to marry, trumping all state law for the sake of ending one 'discriminatroy' federal law. This action, federal control of marraige, SHOULD require a constitutional amendment, as marraige is NOT now a federal power, and with good reason.
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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    I do agree with this. A candidates stance on SSM will have ZERO influence on my vote.

    Interestingly, I read an article written by a gay man a while ago that commented on how much money and effort was spent to get SSM passed and yet only a small fraction of gay couples actually got married. I am surfing via phone or I would try to find that source.
    What percentage of heterosexuals get married? If it isn't high enough should we ban hetero marriage too?
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    Re: Should same-sex marriage be left to the States?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolv67 View Post
    Credibility would be more in line with it being the right thing to do, although as for it being sustainable, a majority of the public supports it now. True, not most states, but that's more a reflection on politicians being useless. Even Row v Wade, contentious as that remains, has stood for decades. Almost certainly if the SC made it legal nationally, it would quickly become a dead issue. There'd be some vocal whiners, but overall support would continue to climb. Then there's the fact many just don't care if it's "solid" but only that it's a right to have.
    Ending slavery was the right thing to do, allowing women to vote was the right thing to do and repealing the prohibition of the recreational drug alcohol was the right thing to do, but all of these "right things to do", CORRECTLY took constitutional amendments to get them done, as should have Roe vs. Wade, instead of a judge (actually only 5 out of 9 specific judges) "inventing" or "implying" that a mysitcal (yet unwritten) "privacy" clause allows this to be so, because it is the "right thing to do", under the, also constitutionally non-existant, "right thing to do" clause.
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