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    Re: Are we to blame for Africa's current state?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    This is what I would like an answer too...Where the HELL is the rest of the industrialized world in feeding hungry nations...Where the hell are all the super oil rich arab nations, and where the hell is the UN who we give billions too...Where did this freakin attitude come from that everything that costs money or everyone who needs it...it has to be the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WHO PROVIDES IT...bs, ive had enough of that...Let china feed africa with OUR money
    Well, the US is the worlds leader in donated food, becaue it is the worlds leader in food production.

    And sorry, do not expect food from the Middle East. They have lots of oil, but they are net importers of food themselves. Their only major exports are generally Oil and Pearls. And you can't eat either of those.
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    Re: Are we to blame for Africa's current state?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Other than the size of the group, what's the difference?
    Call it "groupthink".

    Modern nations generally do not look down on other nations and consider them as having no rights, and have no compulsion against totally destroying them to get wht they want. Yea, there are some like that (those that want to destroy Israel come to mind), but for the most part nations have learned to live peacefully with each other.

    Tribalism on the other hand generally seperates people into "us" and "them". And as long as you are not "us", anything you want to do to "them" is fair game. The last time I looked, there have not been swarms of French sweeping into Germany or Monaco to kill the people that live there just because they are not French. You do not have bands of Welsh being slaughtered by Scotts simply because they are not Scotts. Other then in former Yugoslavia, the last major "tribal" form of violence I can think of in Europe was that in Ireland, and even that has calmed down a lot in the last decade.
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    Re: Are we to blame for Africa's current state?

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    Personally, I think it's ridiculous when people say that people in Africa starve because of us.

    People say that the only way we can afford to live as well as we do is because of poor children in Africa. This is utter garbage. Barely anything, other than a bit of oil, is exported out of Africa. There are starving children in Africa mainly because the continent is a jumbled mess of civil wars and religious terrorism.

    Sure there are children in India/China/etc. working to make our shoes, but that's not our fault.
    Not so much our fault overall, but the West's fault in general.
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    Re: Are we to blame for Africa's current state?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    Well, the US is the worlds leader in donated food, becaue it is the worlds leader in food production.

    And sorry, do not expect food from the Middle East. They have lots of oil, but they are net importers of food themselves. Their only major exports are generally Oil and Pearls. And you can't eat either of those.
    Wasnt talking food...was talking good ole CASH..and the middleeast has more than we do....how about china coughing up some of the excess american dollars they have....this isnt pre WW1 ..today there are alot more countries doing very well if not better than us and they kick in SQUAT...how about South Korea coming up with a few bucks...im tired of everyone looking at us for everything and some of our own people constantly clammering we have to help this one and that one...HELP OUR OWN for a change....
    Last edited by lpast; 05-29-12 at 05:33 PM. Reason: changed N Korea to S Korea lol

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    Re: Are we to blame for Africa's current state?

    It's not like Africa is a single nation Some countries are much better off than others. Some regions have serious issues while others don't . . . nature, Europe (in the past) and present day political and foreign aid policy makes a difference . . . nothing contributes 100% to any of it.

    People generally view Europe (European Nations) as doing well but many countries are struggling while others are thriving. . . for a variety of reasons. It's all very complicated.
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    Re: Are we to blame for Africa's current state?

    Who is we? If you mean Berlin folk conference answer is Completely - it is entirely our fault.
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    Re: Are we to blame for Africa's current state?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Wasnt talking food...was talking good ole CASH..and the middleeast has more than we do....how about china coughing up some of the excess american dollars they have....this isnt pre WW1 ..today there are alot more countries doing very well if not better than us and they kick in SQUAT...how about South Korea coming up with a few bucks...im tired of everyone looking at us for everything and some of our own people constantly clammering we have to help this one and that one...HELP OUR OWN for a change....
    This has nothing to do with it. After all, you can't eat cash. And the only natins that can donate food are thse that produce a large surplus of food.

    And currently, that is generally the US, Canada, and Europe. China really has no food extra to donate, more and more lately they have been shifting to having to import food themselves.

    And the Middle Eastern nations do take a front seat when it comes to the distribution of the food. Because of political reasons, these are normally the countries that do the "grunt work" of taking the donated food and getting it to those that are starving. Saudi Arabia takes the lead there, followed by UAE, Kuwait, Russia, India, South Korea, then Qatar and Turkey. And as a part of their National Income, Saudi Arabia leads again, with .15% of their national income going to food distribution. The US comes in 6th with .03%.

    So we provide a smaller percentage of our production, but we produce so much ofit that we are the world's leader. And other nations that do not produce a large surplusdo their job in the distribution end. Many of these nations are also world leaders in supplying Doctors, Nurses, and other medical staff to overseas clinics. So it all evens out in the end.
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    Re: Are we to blame for Africa's current state?

    Africa wasn't helped by European imperial powers but at the end of the day its 2012, Europeans left a long time a go and at some point Africa has to take some responisbility for itself.

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    Re: Are we to blame for Africa's current state?

    Are we to blame for Africa's current state?
    Not our fault at all.
    ive heard plenty of arguments for this too.
    its ridiculous.
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    Re: Are we to blame for Africa's current state?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Depends on who you mean by "we."

    Africa largely could have succeeded but for political instability and violence. But the instability partially comes from drawing arbitrary lines on a map and imposing the political construct of a modern "state" in a place where it never existed.
    We should carpet nuclear bomb, then redraw the borders according to where tribes and ethnicities used to live.
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