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    Re: Are we to blame for Africa's current state?

    IIRC, we subsidized cotton growers here rather than buy cheaper cotton from some of those countries..
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    Re: Are we to blame for Africa's current state?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Depends on who you mean by "we."

    Africa largely could have succeeded but for political instability and violence. But the instability partially comes from drawing arbitrary lines on a map and imposing the political construct of a modern "state" in a place where it never existed.
    true-colonial powers created artificial borders (like Gambia which was based on how far the British navy could extend its might into the French colony of senegal) or divided tribal nations.

    Chinua Achebe's books like No longer at ease and THings Fall Apart are edifying as to the influence-and problems caused-by British influence in Nigeria. Both excellent books, I recommend them highly

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    Re: Are we to blame for Africa's current state?

    It's more complicated than just blaming Europe or Africa itself, and it depends on what we're talking about. Read something like "King Leopold's Ghost" to get an idea of how Congo is still weighed down by no bid contracts and downright theft going back decades. While most of that went to other colonizers, the US went so far as to set up the assassination of their first elected leader, who dared to suggest not only a politically but also economically independent Congo, so that the monopolies could continue. Culturally though yeah, much of Africa is stuck in the dark ages though. Even when they try to break away from oppression, for example in Egypt, their views are so ass backwards that it's hard for me to give a crap. Surely the US isn't to blame for how women are treated for example.

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    Re: Are we to blame for Africa's current state?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Depends on who you mean by "we."

    Africa largely could have succeeded but for political instability and violence. But the instability partially comes from drawing arbitrary lines on a map and imposing the political construct of a modern "state" in a place where it never existed.
    Africa has little responsible leadership... for what reason? I don't know.

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    Re: Are we to blame for Africa's current state?

    No, Africa has been a jacked upnation of tribal fighting for thousands of years. Even the Egyptians considered those from "upstream" of the Nile to be savages.

    And you can't blame the borders or anything else either. Long before the modern borders were ceated, you had tribal fighting and tribal savagery. It has gone on for thousands of years, and will likely continue for thousands more. Even the Slave Trade started because tribes would raid neighboring tribal enemies and sell them off for money. Now they just slaughter them as in Darfur. Lyberia was a nation created for freed slaves, but once back in Africa they simply made slaves of the tribes that lived in that area.

    Until the people stop putting all their allegiance into tribes and start putting it to themselves as a nation, it will continue.

    And before anybody thinks this is some racist rant, it is not. This is a rant against "Tribalism", be it the Tribe of Afrikaners, Iraq, Afghanistan, or Somalia and Uganda. When some group decides another group is not fit to live, or slaughters them for some imagined or real insult 300 years prior.
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    Re: Are we to blame for Africa's current state?

    No it isn't our fault as Americans. I mean I guess we could have made sure money and food and whatnot went to the people rather than corrupt politicians that run the governments, but that does not make it our fault. Fault lies mainly with Imperial Europe and the terrorists and brutal dictators that are there now.
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    Re: Are we to blame for Africa's current state?

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    No it isn't our fault as Americans. I mean I guess we could have made sure money and food and whatnot went to the people rather than corrupt politicians that run the governments, but that does not make it our fault. Fault lies mainly with Imperial Europe and the terrorists and brutal dictators that are there now.
    Unfortunately, feeding people doesn't fix their problems, and probably makes their problems worse, in reality.
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    Re: Are we to blame for Africa's current state?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Unfortunately, feeding people doesn't fix their problems, and probably makes their problems worse, in reality.
    True. I was just saying from our end we could have made sure the stuff we sent over there was going to where it was suppose to go, not that anything would change because of it.
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    Re: Are we to blame for Africa's current state?

    This is what I would like an answer too...Where the HELL is the rest of the industrialized world in feeding hungry nations...Where the hell are all the super oil rich arab nations, and where the hell is the UN who we give billions too...Where did this freakin attitude come from that everything that costs money or everyone who needs it...it has to be the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WHO PROVIDES IT...bs, ive had enough of that...Let china feed africa with OUR money

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    Re: Are we to blame for Africa's current state?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    Until the people stop putting all their allegiance into tribes and start putting it to themselves as a nation, it will continue.
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