AreteCourage
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First of all Police are law enforcement officers...enforce the laws as written is what we do...we do not obey the people...we work for the people and unfortunately its some of the people that we have to taser and arrest and sometimes shoot.
Lets round this up quickly...if people were allowed to disobey the police in the course of arrests or doing their duty...police eventually would be rendered useless and the wild west would be promptly back as the rule of society...he who shoots first wins.
If your stopped for a traffic violation that police officer is ENFORCING TRAFFIC LAWS....You do not get to decide what information is pertinent to the situation, the police have sole dibs on that...no cop is going to ask you frivolous questions for fun...they dont have time for that...If you are told you are under arrest and you non violently refuse to comply after reasonable non contact means to get your compliance...well you know what happened to the young lady that caused this thread to be written....
I am not against using non-lethal force against anyone using violence. That is my line in the sand is violence.
What you are assuming is that every traffic cop is going to be following the same guidelines. That is not 100% true, as there are many recorded instances of cops going overboard. If they pulled me over for a traffic violation, and then ask me where I'm going...then I could tell them that I wish not to disclose that information, but yes I was speeding, ran the light, or whatever.
If they say that I'm under arrest, read me my Miranda rights, and tell me why I'm being arrested....then they grab my wrists and attempt to cuff me...at this point any sort of push back, or resistance would be a minor form of violence. Now if it was something as simple as the cuffs pinched the skin on my hand or something and I get nailed with a baton then that is overboard....but if I resist by throwing my body around into the officer or whatever then I am crossing the line.
It is a two-way street in these sorts of situations. Just like some people you have to taser, shoot, or arrest; there are some cops who go well beyond what they are supposed to do.
A police officer's first job is to keep the peace, not enforce the laws. I don't think we'll ever reach and accord there, but we maybe able to on where the line in the sand is for people and cops.