View Poll Results: Is using a taser to arrest a noncoperative but nonviolent person "excessive force"

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Redress there is no answer to the question where is the line drawn...the answer is the line is drawn at the time the incident is in progress and the cop makes the decision on the fly what his course of action is....
    All depts are different...so im on the spot here...I can only speak from my experience based on my depts sop...I cant speak for other depts that have differing SOPs that the operate under...thats where alot of confusion comes in with caine and I when in these kinds of threads...
    There is no cookie cutter answers most of the time...your dealing with SITUATIONAL decision making...not cut and dried rules and regulations...each decision is based on a set of rules with the final decsion being made by the actions of the moment....I hope that made sense
    Our legal system does not work that way however. The courts have to make a determination of when it is excessive and when not. There are numerous cases of courts awarding damages to people who have been tasered by the police. So the need is there for a clear line to be drawn on the issue.
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I know this sounds harsh and PEOPLE HATE THESE WORDS...I know that...but you have to comply, you dont have a choice and we wont give you one, once your placed under arrest...
    Except I gave an example of where this is not the case.
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Not tase her. Open the door, attempt to pull her out of the car and if she gets violent, then tase her. However, I get the feeling that if you have several male cops, you can get a woman out of a car without needing a taser.
    Ahh again the clueless exudes from tween your lips...if she wasnt tased...she would have been snatched and dragged out of the vehicle kicking and screaming and thats why people get hurt the most....keep in mind this one point that you hate she was placed under arrest...and once that decision is made...YOUR GOING one way or another lol....ok im done with this...

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Except I gave an example of where this is not the case.
    I missed it totally...

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    This is a pretty poor attitude for a cop to have. Moreover, your posts thus far sound like those of alpha male who thinks they are on top of the food chain. Turns out there are many cops in jail or on trial who learned they aren't either.
    If you spent any time working the streets, you'd understand exactly where that attitude comes from. Frankly, I'd rather have an alpha male for a cop than a criminal, any day of the week. Being a cop (or paramedic/firefighter), you deal with the very worst of humanity. My hat's off to anyone who can put up with it as a career.
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    People should not be tased unless they become violent. Merely refusing to comply is not violence and therefore, tasing someone who does so is excessive force.
    OK, let me give an example: people are sitting in the doorway of a business as part of a protest, clearly trespassing. The police order them to leave, they refuse. They have their arms linked so just physically picking them up would be difficult at best. They are nonviolent. How do you get them to disperse or arrest them?
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    No, cops are people of many people's hatred because there are personalities out there who instinctively fight all authority, legit or not.
    No, it has nothing to do with the few bully cops who beat people they've arrested, it has nothing to do with stories like this, it has nothing to do with actually crappy cops with crappy attitudes or with cops who don't do their jobs in minority neighborhoods or any of that. It's just about people who fight authority.

    What a crock of ****.

    The only argument you can make, which I agree with by the way, is that it's irrational to generalize about cops being all bad based on the few bad ones that ruin their name. However, you cannot argue that people have a problem with cops just because they "fight all authority" and not because they have legitimate reasons to dislike them based on their own experiences.

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Not tase her. Open the door, attempt to pull her out of the car and if she gets violent, then tase her. However, I get the feeling that if you have several male cops, you can get a woman out of a car without needing a taser.
    Obviously they had already tried to pull her out and she resisted. They were then faced with forcibly yanking her out and flinging her onto the ground to be cuffed. She was 7 months pregnant. I ask again... this woman who created this situation, escalated this situation, is now under arrest so she MUST be taken into the station and booked... how do you safely get her out if she refuses to comply?

    They handled it the way they felt best, and we... as usual, lol... are second-guessing them without the benefit of knowing all the details. Any way you slice it, the entire situation was completely her fault, and her fault alone.

    These are basically your options: Yank her out and throw her to the ground; mace her; hit her with the baton; tase her.

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Ahh again the clueless exudes from tween your lips...if she wasnt tased...she would have been snatched and dragged out of the vehicle kicking and screaming and thats why people get hurt the most....keep in mind this one point that you hate she was placed under arrest...and once that decision is made...YOUR GOING one way or another lol....ok im done with this...
    I know she's going away one way or another. In fact, my post was discussing how to get her to go away, so I don't even understand your nonsensical response.

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Our legal system does not work that way however. The courts have to make a determination of when it is excessive and when not. There are numerous cases of courts awarding damages to people who have been tasered by the police. So the need is there for a clear line to be drawn on the issue.
    Of course no argument...the end result the final decision is made in court. Redress if we could know how many tasers are used in a 24 hour period across the entire country in every state...I think you would realize that cases that get to court a miniscule compared to the whole picture. People form opinions of police where they live...Police do not operate the same in every state every town...and what you read in the paper like this case...is a drop in the bucket compared to all that happens all over the country...the sheer amount of arrests..and incidents..

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