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Thread: Taser Use

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Note that so far the courts have disagreed with you.

    So you believe that tasing a person who is simply sitting down is acceptable?
    No I disagree with that statement that courts have disagreed...there are thousands of tazings...and the courts upheld them as well as went against that particular tasing.....Personally and this is just my opinion...take the tasers if you want...if the courts say no more...nothing changes except the means they will get her out of the car the next time...but out she is going to go either way.

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Enola View Post
    Tazing a pregnant woman that refuses to sign a ticket and is non violent, is overboard. Plain and simple.
    The officer was obligated by law to arrest the woman. He told her that. She refused to exit the vehicle. Which method available to him... dragging her out by force and throwing her on the ground to cuff her, hitting her with a baton until she complied, macing her until she complied... would you have preferred him to use?

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    They werent simply sitting down...they were placed under arrest and refusing to exit the vehicle...so if the police didnt taser her...and just bully grabbed her and fought her out of the car and she got badly hurt...that would have been better ?...now keep this one thought in mind...shes under arrest...no matter what she has got to go in the end...so the question is how do you get there if shes refusing
    Let me remind you of the words I was replying to:

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    If you are told you are under arrest and you non violently refuse to comply after reasonable non contact means to get your compliance...well you know what happened to the young lady that caused this thread to be written....
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Cops are not in the wrong for using force to subdue and uncooperative suspect. The suspect is in the wrong for using force against police who did nothing illegal. SUspects do not get to choose which laws and rules they are going to follow. They especially don't get to sue the police for checkin 'em up for gettin out of line.
    Look there is no doubt that there are moron cops that use excessive force...no one denies that...and there are bad cops and there are cops that make honest errors in judgement...that is all true but the lionshare of cops do a good job and just do it...cops have forever been the recipients of disdain...because humans have a natural aversion of being told what to do...we know that...but we still have to do the job and get it done..

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    And this attitude is why cops are the target of many peoples hatred.
    No, cops are people of many people's hatred because there are personalities out there who instinctively fight all authority, legit or not.

    I haven't taken any of the anti-police activists seriously for years. They always blame the cops first, never the victim. Always. The suspect could've shot fifteen cops and if one officer takes a pot shot at him, it's BRUTALITY!

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    The officer was obligated by law to arrest the woman. He told her that. She refused to exit the vehicle. Which method available to him... dragging her out by force and throwing her on the ground to cuff her, hitting her with a baton until she complied, macing her until she complied... would you have preferred him to use?
    Use of words would have better handled the situation then sending 50,000 volts of electricity through a pregnant woman. It is a situation where no use of force looks good. You have to use the brain in your skull to solve some problems.
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    First of all Police are law enforcement officers...enforce the laws as written is what we do...we do not obey the people...we work for the people and unfortunately its some of the people that we have to taser and arrest and sometimes shoot.
    Lets round this up quickly...if people were allowed to disobey the police in the course of arrests or doing their duty...police eventually would be rendered useless and the wild west would be promptly back as the rule of society...he who shoots first wins.
    If your stopped for a traffic violation that police officer is ENFORCING TRAFFIC LAWS....You do not get to decide what information is pertinent to the situation, the police have sole dibs on that...no cop is going to ask you frivolous questions for fun...they dont have time for that...If you are told you are under arrest and you non violently refuse to comply after reasonable non contact means to get your compliance...well you know what happened to the young lady that caused this thread to be written....
    I take exception to the bolded portion...

    sure, you guys are free to ask for any information that you believe is pertinent... but the other side of the coin has the civilians with the right to remain silent if he believes the information is not relevant.

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    And this attitude is why cops are the target of many peoples hatred.
    And this is the attitude which contributes to cops going into their job with a bad attitude. Cops by and large do a difficult job very well. While there are bad cops, and cops make mistakes, they still by and large do a very good job overall.
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Let me remind you of the words I was replying to:

    Ok im not getting your point though...She was inside the vehicle..she was told to sign the summons she refused...she was told to exit the vehicle she refused...she was told she was under arrest and she continued to refuse..

    Now whats ironic unless I missed it no one has mentioned where the original cop screwed up and caused this entire thing...
    I and we as police force never asked for you to sign our summons...we wrote it and handed it to you...no sig necessary...and if any dept required that you ask for the sig and she refuses...you merely put in the sig line...driver refused to sign and initial it...case closed everyone goes on their merry way

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    Use of words would have better handled the situation then sending 50,000 volts of electricity through a pregnant woman. It is a situation where no use of force looks good. You have to use the brain in your skull to solve some problems.
    Apparently words had failed, since several officers had not found the proper words to get her to willingly exit the care AFTER she had been placed under arrest.

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