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    Re: Taser Use

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    the key is in knowing exactly what you are require to do in the event of a police confrontation.... do only that which you are required, by law, to do... and if the cop wants more, he can get bent.

    .. but be prepared to answer, in court, as to why you defied the cop.. and prepare yourself to be on the wrong side of force while defying him/her.


    do not fall for the " you must obey the police" horse****... you must follow the law.. and he must follow the law... that is all that is required.

    You missed a whole lot of points of the issue...basically what you said is right...and court is where you will be...if you refuse to comply to my orders...your going whether you like it or not...PERIOD....I know some alphas males think they are the top of the food chain...they learn they are not..even if its temporary...

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    First of all Police are law enforcement officers...enforce the laws as written is what we do...we do not obey the people...we work for the people and unfortunately its some of the people that we have to taser and arrest and sometimes shoot.
    Lets round this up quickly...if people were allowed to disobey the police in the course of arrests or doing their duty...police eventually would be rendered useless and the wild west would be promptly back as the rule of society...he who shoots first wins.
    If your stopped for a traffic violation that police officer is ENFORCING TRAFFIC LAWS....You do not get to decide what information is pertinent to the situation, the police have sole dibs on that...no cop is going to ask you frivolous questions for fun...they dont have time for that...If you are told you are under arrest and you non violently refuse to comply after reasonable non contact means to get your compliance...well you know what happened to the young lady that caused this thread to be written....
    Note that so far the courts have disagreed with you.

    So you believe that tasing a person who is simply sitting down is acceptable?
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Which leads to the second part of the question, where does the line get drawn? There has to be a clear line drawn somewhere, if just to protect the police from lawsuits. From the sound of it, the law as it currently is was somewhat vague.
    The line is drawn by compliance....comply and theres NO PROBLEM whatsoever...lol...gotta love these threads...everyone blames the cops and totally blows past the person REFUSED mulitiple requests for compliance...let me ask you this...were the police supposed to tell this woman..ok you wont comply you can go...Its simple...you disagree with the police, fine..comply theres no problem, you will have your day in court...

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Which leads to the second part of the question, where does the line get drawn? There has to be a clear line drawn somewhere, if just to protect the police from lawsuits. From the sound of it, the law as it currently is was somewhat vague.
    I sincerely doubt you can make a solid line in which everything on one side can't be tasered and everything on the other side can. That's why police are screened and trained; in order to have rational people that can be depended on to make a good decision when it boils down to using force. I'd say the police did what they had to in this case.

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    First of all Police are law enforcement officers...enforce the laws as written is what we do...we do not obey the people...we work for the people and unfortunately its some of the people that we have to taser and arrest and sometimes shoot.
    Lets round this up quickly...if people were allowed to disobey the police in the course of arrests or doing their duty...police eventually would be rendered useless and the wild west would be promptly back as the rule of society...he who shoots first wins.
    If your stopped for a traffic violation that police officer is ENFORCING TRAFFIC LAWS....You do not get to decide what information is pertinent to the situation, the police have sole dibs on that...no cop is going to ask you frivolous questions for fun...they dont have time for that...If you are told you are under arrest and you non violently refuse to comply after reasonable non contact means to get your compliance...well you know what happened to the young lady that caused this thread to be written....
    I am not against using non-lethal force against anyone using violence. That is my line in the sand is violence.

    What you are assuming is that every traffic cop is going to be following the same guidelines. That is not 100% true, as there are many recorded instances of cops going overboard. If they pulled me over for a traffic violation, and then ask me where I'm going...then I could tell them that I wish not to disclose that information, but yes I was speeding, ran the light, or whatever.

    If they say that I'm under arrest, read me my Miranda rights, and tell me why I'm being arrested....then they grab my wrists and attempt to cuff me...at this point any sort of push back, or resistance would be a minor form of violence. Now if it was something as simple as the cuffs pinched the skin on my hand or something and I get nailed with a baton then that is overboard....but if I resist by throwing my body around into the officer or whatever then I am crossing the line.

    It is a two-way street in these sorts of situations. Just like some people you have to taser, shoot, or arrest; there are some cops who go well beyond what they are supposed to do.

    A police officer's first job is to keep the peace, not enforce the laws. I don't think we'll ever reach and accord there, but we maybe able to on where the line in the sand is for people and cops.
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Note that so far the courts have disagreed with you.

    So you believe that tasing a person who is simply sitting down is acceptable?
    They werent simply sitting down...they were placed under arrest and refusing to exit the vehicle...so if the police didnt taser her...and just bully grabbed her and fought her out of the car and she got badly hurt...that would have been better ?...now keep this one thought in mind...shes under arrest...no matter what she has got to go in the end...so the question is how do you get there if shes refusing

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    You missed a whole lot of points of the issue...basically what you said is right...and court is where you will be...if you refuse to comply to my orders...your going whether you like it or not...PERIOD....I know some alphas males think they are the top of the food chain...they learn they are not..even if its temporary...
    And this attitude is why cops are the target of many peoples hatred.
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    The line is drawn by compliance....comply and theres NO PROBLEM whatsoever...lol...gotta love these threads...everyone blames the cops and totally blows past the person REFUSED mulitiple requests for compliance...let me ask you this...were the police supposed to tell this woman..ok you wont comply you can go...Its simple...you disagree with the police, fine..comply theres no problem, you will have your day in court...
    No, the line is not drawn at compliance. If a cop comes to my house and tells me to let him in, I am going to say no unless he has paperwork. If he tasers me for saying no, I am going to make some money off the police. If you had read the article I linked, you would see that so far, the courts have agreed that in this case, the cops acted improperly.
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    I am not against using non-lethal force against anyone using violence. That is my line in the sand is violence.

    What you are assuming is that every traffic cop is going to be following the same guidelines. That is not 100% true, as there are many recorded instances of cops going overboard. If they pulled me over for a traffic violation, and then ask me where I'm going...then I could tell them that I wish not to disclose that information, but yes I was speeding, ran the light, or whatever.

    If they say that I'm under arrest, read me my Miranda rights, and tell me why I'm being arrested....then they grab my wrists and attempt to cuff me...at this point any sort of push back, or resistance would be a minor form of violence. Now if it was something as simple as the cuffs pinched the skin on my hand or something and I get nailed with a baton then that is overboard....but if I resist by throwing my body around into the officer or whatever then I am crossing the line.

    It is a two-way street in these sorts of situations. Just like some people you have to taser, shoot, or arrest; there are some cops who go well beyond what they are supposed to do.

    A police officer's first job is to keep the peace, not enforce the laws. I don't think we'll ever reach and accord there, but we maybe able to on where the line in the sand is for people and cops.
    Cops are not in the wrong for using force to subdue and uncooperative suspect. The suspect is in the wrong for using force against police who did nothing illegal. SUspects do not get to choose which laws and rules they are going to follow. They especially don't get to sue the police for checkin 'em up for gettin out of line.

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