View Poll Results: Is using a taser to arrest a noncoperative but nonviolent person "excessive force"

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    15 26.79%
  • Depends, sometimes yes, sometimes no

    26 46.43%
  • No, tasers are acceptable if a person is not cooperating

    13 23.21%
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    From what I saw the comment that started this was him saying "you can't rely on the cops to save your life". You countered with a strawman comment twisting his point into "the police will let you die". That is not what he said.

    If you have some other point please restate it. I am not going back to dig rhrough pages of comments to find it.

    Otherwise you are just playing a silly game of "gothca"
    This is baloney.

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    Now you are telling me about my experience....
    Seriously, can you not read. I am not telling you about your experience, I am saying it is an incomplete set. You're experience does not incorporate all the data.

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    What is your experience of physics.
    I have a PhD in it, I know how it works.

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    Never said I could
    Which goes to prove my point

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    I asked you your experience. You were the one who introduced crime statistics, which I have not challenged.
    And I gave it, my experience with physics says you are wrong. One is certainly much better of relying on themselves to protect themselves than to hope that the police find out and get there in time.

    Can you just please stop with the stupid, it's getting really annoying.
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    This is baloney.
    dude, i read the post. Don't force me to embarass you further by quoting it.

    Either make your alleged point or let it drop
    The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    Your question was irrelevant to the point being made




    You are right, he probably would have just said "oops, my bad" and left so that I could give his description to the cops.



    From what I saw the comment that started this was him saying "you can't rely on the cops to save your life". You countered with a strawman comment twisting his point into "the police will let you die". That is not what he said.

    If you have some other point please restate it. I am not going back to dig rhrough pages of comments to find it.

    Otherwise you are just playing a silly game of "gothca"
    Thats not true oscar ikari made that statment connery made no such statement...Ikari said my saying you cant rely on the police doesnt mean they would let anyone die....

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    dude, i read the post. Don't force me to embarass you further by quoting it.

    Either make your alleged point or let it drop

    Oscar you came in way late into this thread...the exchange between ikari and connery started before you got in it....

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Thats not true oscar ikari made that statment connery made no such statement...Ikari said my saying you cant rely on the police doesnt mean they would let anyone die....
    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Oscar you came in way late into this thread...the exchange between ikari and connery started before you got in it....
    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    This does not substantiate where the police allowed you to die as your original position clearly states, "Don't rely on them to save your life..."


    Oh brother...
    You were saying lpast?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You were saying lpast?
    And there you have it. Gee I love it when I'm proven right.
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You were saying lpast?
    Ok..I didnt see that..but did you go back further and see if that was a response to what ikari had said...

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    And there you have it. Gee I love it when I'm proven right.
    hey I have no qualms admitting you were right buddy...and I have no problem admitting when Im wrong...but make sure you have the whole story...one post does not tell the tale..

    Im not running away...I have a wife im very much afraid of breathing fire on the back of my neck...I shall obey...see ya later lol
    Last edited by lpast; 05-25-12 at 03:02 PM.

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Ok..I didnt see that..but did you go back further and see if that was a response to what ikari had said...
    He was responding to what I had written earlier since he quoted the beginning part of a sentence I wrote. I certainly did say that you shouldn't rely on the police to save your life, that you are best to rely on yourself. It's a true statement. Not one that implies that cops will let you die, like Connery was trying to make it seem like. But rather just a statement of fact given the time delay between information transfer and transportation time to site. He also started in with the "what personal experience" mantra, but that is entirely besides the point as it has nothing to do with the overall analysis of the system.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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