View Poll Results: Is using a taser to arrest a noncoperative but nonviolent person "excessive force"

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  • Yes, always

    15 26.79%
  • Depends, sometimes yes, sometimes no

    26 46.43%
  • No, tasers are acceptable if a person is not cooperating

    13 23.21%
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's not trying to change anything. As I've said, I have not needed the police for anything as of yet; they've only proven a hindrance.
    So then the answer to my question is NO , correct?


    You're trying to reverse engineer an answer through over-constraint of a question.
    Stop listening to the voices in your head.

    Information isn't limited to personal experience and can be used to draw proper conclusion.
    Correct, except when you are asked to draw upon your personal experiences...

    And I haven't practiced Danny Boy. Sadly the days of the ol' garage band are over and now I have better things to do than to sit around with a group of dudes playing band.
    Again your reading comprehension and cognitive skills fail you. I said I was in a Barbershop Quartet, that means four, and we needed a fifth , with you being the pivot man, you would fit right in with your wonderful talents...

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post

    So when I ask the guys who have been tased and seem to think their very limited experience with 5 seconds of discharge makes them capable of speaking on typical taser use if their 'vast' experience included being tasered in the neck...

    I think it is a very valid question and one they should answer, not have others dissembling.
    The point you seem intent on ignoring is that it makes virtually no difference where the tazer is applied, the effect is the same.

    Screaming about being tazed IN THE NECK!!!!!!! only makes you look hysterical.

    Neck, nuts or kneecaps, it really doesn't matter.
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    Correct, except when you are asked to draw upon your personal experiences...
    But being "asked to draw upon your personal experiences" is nothing more than a ploy to hide other information. It's dishonest at best.
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    So then the answer to my question is NO , correct?
    So what? That still doesn't prove the point you were trying to make




    Correct, except when you are asked to draw upon your personal experiences
    You want personal experiences? I am a US Army reserve military police officer (CPT) have been for 10 years. I also have a concealed carry permit.

    Several years ago I came home to a burglar in my home. The guy had used a crowbar to force the back door. Had I been unarmed, he would have either a.) gotten away or b.) beaten me to death. As it was, I was able to hold him at gunpoint for the 20 minutes it took for the sheriff's dept to arrive after I called 911.

    While deployed to Ft Benning, I responded to a domestic call. Even though it took me less than 3 minutes to arrive on scene, the husband had stabbed the wife in the chest with a butcher knife and slit his throat. She was dead at the scene and he bled out while waiting for the paramedics to arrive.

    Point is, you cannot rely on the police being there in time to save your life in a crisis. We/they do the best we can but you cannot change the laws of physics.
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    But being "asked to draw upon your personal experiences" is nothing more than a ploy to hide other information. It's dishonest at best.
    Now ploys???...

    You are showing your fearful side, I can understand why you distrust others as much as you do. I was asking you a simple question really.

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    So what? That still doesn't prove the point you were trying to make
    It is the answer to my question.






    You want personal experiences? I am a US Army reserve military police officer (CPT) have been for 10 years. I also have a concealed carry permit.

    Several years ago I came home to a burglar in my home. The guy had used a crowbar to force the back door. Had I been unarmed, he would have either a.) gotten away or b.) beaten me to death. As it was, I was able to hold him at gunpoint for the 20 minutes it took for the sheriff's dept to arrive after I called 911.

    While deployed to Ft Benning, I responded to a domestic call. Even though it took me less than 3 minutes to arrive on scene, the husband had stabbed the wife in the chest with a butcher knife and slit his throat. She was dead at the scene and he bled out while waiting for the paramedics to arrive.

    Point is, you cannot rely on the police being there in time to save your life in a crisis. We/they do the best we can but you cannot change the laws of physics.
    How do you know he would have beaten you to death?


    "Point is, you cannot rely on the police being there in time to save your life in a crisis." That was not my position, I stated, "Based on my experience as a policeman I know you are wrong." Statistics show certain information. That is not what I was looking for here. I have a certain experience that countered that poster's position. He wanted to broaden that to include many others experience.

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    It is the answer to my question.
    Your question was irrelevant to the point being made


    How do you know he would have beaten you to death?
    You are right, he probably would have just said "oops, my bad" and left so that I could give his description to the cops.

    That was not my position, I stated, "Based on my experience as a policeman I know you are wrong." Statistics show certain information. That is not what I was looking for here. I have a certain experience that countered that poster's position. He wanted to broaden that to include many others experience.
    From what I saw the comment that started this was him saying "you can't rely on the cops to save your life". You countered with a strawman comment twisting his point into "the police will let you die". That is not what he said.

    If you have some other point please restate it. I am not going back to dig rhrough pages of comments to find it.

    Otherwise you are just playing a silly game of "gothca"
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    "Based on my experience as a policeman I know you are wrong." Statistics show certain information. That is not what I was looking for here. I have a certain experience that countered that poster's position. He wanted to broaden that to include many others experience.
    Your experience is the incomplete set. Based on my experience of physics, I know you are incorrect. You cannot know things ahead of time, you cannot poof to where ever you are needed most. Furthermore, given the aggregate crime statistics, you are also wrong.
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    From what I saw the comment that started this was him saying "you can't rely on the cops to save your life". You countered with a strawman comment twisting his point into "the police will let you die". That is not what he said.

    If you have some other point please restate it. I am not going back to dig rhrough pages of comments to find it.

    Otherwise you are just playing a silly game of "gothca"
    I'm glad this is blatantly clear to others as well. These stupid little games wherein people try to engineer an answer through rejection of data is annoying and stupid. It's only engaged in by the intellectually dishonest or those unable to understand what they are doing. A fully functioning human knows better.
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Your experience is the incomplete set.
    Now you are telling me about my experience....

    Based on my experience of physics, I know you are incorrect.
    What is your experience of physics.


    You cannot know things ahead of time, you cannot poof to where ever you are needed most.
    Never said I could

    Furthermore, given the aggregate crime statistics, you are also wrong
    I asked you your experience. You were the one who introduced crime statistics, which I have not challenged.

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