View Poll Results: Is using a taser to arrest a noncoperative but nonviolent person "excessive force"

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Ive said since the begining of this thread that this problem arose from a BAD law....there is no need to have altercations over the mere signing of a summons...many jurisidictions have no such law...you write the summons hand it to them and everyone goes on their way.
    The point of this incident that eludes all the cop haters...is that this woman was the one speeding...she was the one that kept refusing to sign the ticket and she was the one that refused to exit her vehicle....
    Just to update, this law was changed in the state within a year of this incident occurring. They now do not require people, per state law, to sign a speeding ticket.

    Are you required to sign a traffic ticket? | Seattle 911 — A Police and Crime Blog - seattlepi.com

    The results of the first trial of this case may have pushed through/caused this change, and that is good.
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Then you can tell me how the police will show up the minute I need them, yes? I mean, I'm talking out of my ass, so obviously you can demonstrate your teleportation and precognition. I'd like to see it. You have proof? Or are you the one talking out of your ass?
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The procedure was implemented so that the ticket serves basically as a court summons and notification of a fine due. Simply signing the ticket, puts you automatically on a personal promise to pay the ticket or to appear in court to contest it. Refusing to sign the ticket is considered the same as a 'failure to appear' in court status, whereby a bench warrant is then issued for your arrest. If you fail to pay the fine or to appear in court then you are found 'guilty' and the fine is increased. Rather than pay court process servers, be forced into the extra paperwork/postage costs for a later notice or even having to rely on your address on the license being up to date, the simple signing of the ticket, at the time it is issued, was deemed to be the most efficient 'confirmation' method that you were properly served.
    I understand all that but it is still not necassary. A Jury Summons arrives in my mail and if I don't appear it is "failure to appear" as well...

    and I never signed for the mail.
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Indeed, don't rely on them to save your life. To say that because I haven't been threatened, I can't make that statement is nonsense. There is clear data of people being killed, robbed, raped, etc., all sorts of incidents where the police did not show up in time. It's like saying I can't claim one shouldn't walk off a cliff because I've never done so. But if measurement exists which demonstrates the effects of gravity, then I may use such data to draw proper conclusion. Let's not be obtuse here and feign stupidity.
    I asked about your experience as it related to your original position.


    You are entitled to express your views. I was simply asking about your experience. You have erected some construct which is outside the parameters of our original discussion which I chose not to get involved with.



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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I think he is one of the writers of Minority Report... or he thinks that it is real. Not sure which.
    Neither I addressed that poster's original statement and asked him to respond. He decided to veer off into some arcane direction which I am not interested in discussing.

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    Neither I addressed that poster's original statement and asked him to respond. He decided to veer off into some arcane direction which I am not interested in discussing.
    All good man, I am just here for entertainment value...
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    Re: Taser Use

    First off, I've been tased before and it's not that bad. Yeah, it sucks at the moment but once it's over, it's over.
    Second, I think tasing someone is far more preferable to a physical altercation or pepper spray. The physical altercation could end badly for the cop because there is the possibility that he can't overcome the individual. It most likely would end badly for the individual because we all know cops don't fight fair lol. Pepper spray is the gift that keeps on giving. I've been pepper sprayed as well and it can hurt days later while you are showering. People act like getting tased is some sort of catastrophic event that changes you forever. It's not. At most, you piss yourself, look like an idiot, and hope it never happens again.
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Just to update, this law was changed in the state within a year of this incident occurring. They now do not require people, per state law, to sign a speeding ticket.

    Are you required to sign a traffic ticket? | Seattle 911 — A Police and Crime Blog - seattlepi.com



    The results of the first trial of this case may have pushed through/caused this change, and that is good.


    Rogue I know that...I posted that 20 pages back...let me repeat what ive said here...The incident would never have taken place if they cops werent sworn to uphold an bad law....after that it was all on her..she categorically refused every thing she was asked to do...so what was left...lets be clear, the police at that point could not and would not say...ok you dont want to do anything we ask..so were screwed now and have to just let you go...doesnt work like that, never will. She had to go and they made her...as unfortunate as that was.

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Rogue I know that...I posted that 20 pages back...let me repeat what ive said here...The incident would never have taken place if they cops werent sworn to uphold an bad law....after that it was all on her..she categorically refused every thing she was asked to do...so what was left...lets be clear, the police at that point could not and would not say...ok you dont want to do anything we ask..so were screwed now and have to just let you go...doesnt work like that, never will. She had to go and they made her...as unfortunate as that was.

    Moreover, public policy or law cannot be dictated or instantaneously changed based on medical condition or disability, it must go through the legislature.

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    First off, I've been tased before and it's not that bad. Yeah, it sucks at the moment but once it's over, it's over.
    Second, I think tasing someone is far more preferable to a physical altercation or pepper spray. The physical altercation could end badly for the cop because there is the possibility that he can't overcome the individual. It most likely would end badly for the individual because we all know cops don't fight fair lol. Pepper spray is the gift that keeps on giving. I've been pepper sprayed as well and it can hurt days later while you are showering. People act like getting tased is some sort of catastrophic event that changes you forever. It's not. At most, you piss yourself, look like an idiot, and hope it never happens again.
    Pepper spray has blinded people...batons break bones...and when you get 2 or 3 cops swinging batons at someone flailing and kicking its VERY easy and happened often that the baton hits them in a very vulnerable spot that the cop wasnt aiming at and the person moved right into it...like a cheekbone or an eyesocket...Ive said this in 4 or 5 posts here and everyone either blows past it or thinks im just full of it....
    Im telling you that batons and pepper spray caused more injuries natural and physical than tasers...tasers are quicker and theres less time for crowd formation...and the subdue much faster which is always a good thing for everyone...but some people have such a mentality towards police nothing is good enough for them...what can i say to that...shrug have fun with the hate..

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