View Poll Results: Is using a taser to arrest a noncoperative but nonviolent person "excessive force"

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Thread: Taser Use

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    If an officer is actually out of line, the best thing to do is to go along with him on the scene, then call a good lawyer and sue someone's ass off.

    The latter may prove productive; disobedience/resistance at the scene rarely accomplishes anything and will usually take you somewhere you really don't want to go.

    I had a problem with a Trooper one time. I let him have his way at the scene of the stop, then afterward I contacted my State AG. The matter was handled in short order and the young Trooper was told in no uncertain terms that he was WRONG and NOT to do that again.
    Ive said since the begining of this thread that this problem arose from a BAD law....there is no need to have altercations over the mere signing of a summons...many jurisidictions have no such law...you write the summons hand it to them and everyone goes on their way.
    The point of this incident that eludes all the cop haters...is that this woman was the one speeding...she was the one that kept refusing to sign the ticket and she was the one that refused to exit her vehicle....

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    When 50,000+ volts flows thru the woman depending on contact area it can affect the fetus. I'm by no means though saying that a majority of LEO don't do well at a difficult job for low pay.

    Funny thing is we tranquilize animals in an attempt to be humane why not a similar method for humans? When people have become non-compliant to peaceful requests or lawful commands we can assume they are not reasonable and acting like an animal. Sure there would still be injury and deaths as a result because it's simply not avoidable but unless the number were dramatically excessive it would be a more compassionate way to handle resistant suspects. Beating, pounding, bending, tazing, shooting and pepper spraying are not exactly the height of civility. A mist, spray, dart or other penetrable device to deliver a quick acting, potent knock down/out drug. Once they're down/out cuff and shackle. Make sure all officers are trained on resuscitation and have the proper equipment for emergency medical response. Cardio-conversion, O2 and narcan/epinephrine to revive.
    Here's the thing though. Tranquilizers can actually be more dangerous due to varying body chemistries and allergies, voltage effects pretty much everyone medically sound about the same way, I think tranqs would also have endangered the fetus. It's one of those things where unfortunately, at least IMO the woman put her own baby at risk by trying to be tougher than the detaining officer. I'm just of the opinion that this woman put the officer in a no-win situation.
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    This is a no-win for the cops. You can't just let her go. Using the tazer seems excessive. If you try to pull her from the car she will scream "police brutality". Seems the situation was clearly explained to herand she was given multiple opportunities to comply. So what should the cops do?

    Remove her from the car with the minimum use of force required then "cuff and stuff" her. Charge her with "resisting" in addition to the speeding ticket.

    The people in this thread that have been raging about the cops..are all intelligent enough to know this woman made her own bed...alot of the ranting and trolling is more meant for me than the incident....I dont know what was in her head...I hope it wasnt that Im pregnant and they wont arrest me...but she was being totally unreasonable and caused the incident to happen with her refusals...now once more Ill say that a bad law caused this incident to happen...there is no reason to have to force someone to sign a summons. The police did not write that law...they are sworn to enforce it...

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Not at all, it in fact speaks to the heart of the matter. If someone pulls a gun and I really need the cops, you cannot be there when I need you most. I can call you for clean up duty, report a crime. But rarely would you STOP the crime itself less you happened to be on site at the time the crime was committed. Information cannot be conveyed quickly enough and you cannot travel fast enough to make the scene in all cases. If the police were truly able to be there whenever one needed them, we wouldn't see as much crime as we do.

    In the end, it's best to rely on yourself for your own protection. When you need the cops the most, they're 10 minutes away.



    No thanks, I'm not gay.
    I am asking for your actual experience not the various hypothetical situations you pose as answers. Obviously you choose not to respond to the original question. As such you have provided the answer by your conduct and that answer is NO.



    ....and now you suggest I am gay because I sing... I also play the flute and several other instruments....

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    I am asking for your actual experience not the various hypothetical situations you pose as answers. Obviously you choose not to respond to the original question. As such you have provided the answer by your conduct and that answer is NO.
    Personally, I have only been hindered by police, never helped. Yet I know people whom have been victims of crime and their only resort was to report the crime afterwards, the cops didn't poof to their location and help them out. As such, the original comment of "it is best to rely on yourself and not the police for your own protection. When you need cops the most, they are 10 minutes away" remains a true statement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    ....and now you suggest I am gay because I sing... I also play the flute and several other instruments....
    I was mostly just joking, but you're really not helping your case out here.
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    I am asking for your actual experience not the various hypothetical situations you pose as answers. Obviously you choose not to respond to the original question. As such you have provided the answer by your conduct and that answer is NO.



    ....and now you suggest I am gay because I sing... I also play the flute and several other instruments....

    The response time in NYC for major crime calls is 4.8 minutes...average for all calls is 7.2 minutes....Major crime calls get priority... reports of robberies, rapes, reports of gunfire, burglary and assault with a weapon....and thats in NYC traffic...yes cops siren and go around...but if anyone has ever been in NYC...much of it is one way streets..one way then the other...if the top of that street is blocked you go nowhere no matter who you are..until you exit the vehicle and have a line of vehicles move first...thats superhuman fast response....

    No one even considers that the police can save everyone or be there in time to help everyone...that cant happen anywhere....responses can be anywhere from a few seconds up to the average depending where the car is in their zone...
    Everyone knows that police make mistakes....everyone acknowledges there are bad cops...but few will acknowledge the lionshare are good.
    Police fully realize there are those that are going to make them wrong no matter what...police know there are those that hate to be given orders or told what to do...they never listened to their mother...we know all that...and we hear it all the time over and over and over and that can make for a contrite response...it never changes its always the same

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Here's the thing though. Tranquilizers can actually be more dangerous due to varying body chemistries and allergies, voltage effects pretty much everyone medically sound about the same way, I think tranqs would also have endangered the fetus. It's one of those things where unfortunately, at least IMO the woman put her own baby at risk by trying to be tougher than the detaining officer. I'm just of the opinion that this woman put the officer in a no-win situation.
    I'm of course advocating a short acting chemical with minimal side effects. There would be a trial and error period till big pharma perfected a drug. I can't believe with all the surgeries performed every day that there would be that many injuries/deaths comparable to beating or electrocuting people into submission. We don't physically knock people unconscious for an operation because it's safer. If I tased you 4-5 times then tranq'd you, which one do you think you'd prefer? Using a device that delivers the most pain we can invent is not a sign of an enlightened culture.

    Officers are often put in no win confrontations because that's their job.
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I'm of course advocating a short acting chemical with minimal side effects. There would be a trial and error period till big pharma perfected a drug. I can't believe with all the surgeries performed every day that there would be that many injuries/deaths comparable to beating or electrocuting people into submission. We don't physically knock people unconscious for an operation because it's safer. If I tased you 4-5 times then tranq'd you, which one do you think you'd prefer? Using a device that delivers the most pain we can invent is not a sign of an enlightened culture.



    Officers are often put in no win confrontations because that's their job.

    I dont believe police will ever be allowed to tranquilize people...nor would I want too....there is no easy way out of this for the Police or the public when someone decides to break the law or disobey and the police are put into a situation to force compliance.
    Yes and before it starts...I know some go overboard , I know some make bad decisions and I know some are just screwed up tards...we all know that...its a given..
    Last edited by lpast; 05-24-12 at 04:40 PM.

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I dont believe police will ever be allowed to tranquilize people...nor would I want too....there is no easy way out of this for the Police or the public when someone decides to break the law or disobey and the police are put into a situation to force compliance.
    Yes and before it starts...I know some go overboard , I know some make bad decisions and I know some are just screwed up tards...we all know that...its a given..
    Why not knock'em out chemically? It's more humane, safer than beating them into submission and allows complete compliance for safer restraining for officer and suspect. The only thing better would be Jedi mind tricks.
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Personally, I have only been hindered by police, never helped.
    This does not substantiate where the police allowed you to die as your original position clearly states, "Don't rely on them to save your life..."


    I was mostly just joking, but you're really not helping your case out here.
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