View Poll Results: Is using a taser to arrest a noncoperative but nonviolent person "excessive force"

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Thread: Taser Use

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratrooper View Post
    Exactly I've been tasered 6 times and each time I died....
    God bless your souls.........all six of 'em
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Oh...In a perfect world, perhaps..
    In real life, the police will use excessive force at times....they are men....imperfect....be thankful that tazers are used, not guns...
    IMO, the police ttraining can be improved, and it has been, at least in most states.
    The citizens training can also be much better..
    Our schools ?
    too often...ugh !
    Your pretty much on the mark earthworm

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    You have just proven what was once thought impossible, you are speaking from a part of the anatomy that was never meant to utter a word.

    Just face facts your position is without merit...
    Then you can tell me how the police will show up the minute I need them, yes? I mean, I'm talking out of my ass, so obviously you can demonstrate your teleportation and precognition. I'd like to see it. You have proof? Or are you the one talking out of your ass?
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    Re: Taser Use

    Oh Lordee!

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    Re: Taser Use

    I've read most of this and I think the biggest issue was the law requiring the person to sign a traffic ticket or get arrested. The law has since been changed.

    I don't have any issue with what the cops in this situation did. The law may have been wrong but it is still their job to enforce the law. If it were something like her driving a poorly maintained vehicle that really couldn't be operated any more on the road but she refused to leave it and had the same situation occur, I wouldn't feel any problem with the situation at all. If she would have fought the law for her to get arrested the right way, in court, instead of by refusing to leave her car, she would have been justified. Instead she resisted arrest and brought those issues onto herself. She is at fault for her tasering.
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    But that has no effect on Arete's valid criticism of Mathematician's argument. Mathematician argued that people who don't comply "deserve to have the crap tased out of them." That statement includes people who can/will control their impulses which means that force isn't needed. That's the point and when you use force against people who aren't a threat just because they "deserve it," it's baseless, authoritarian type nonsense.
    Cooperate and sign the ticket and we'll avoid this conversation in the future. It wouldn't surprise me in the least for her to later be like "What ticket? I didn't get no ticket. They just wrote my name on there and made this **** up."
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Ikari...Cops dont care if you like them or distrust them, they really really dont....Theres two sides to every story Ikari..
    I certainly don't care who does and doesn't like the cops. Some people don't like them simply because they disagree with certain laws and want to be disobedient.
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So, now the question: the woman was no threat and was simply refusing to comply. In that type situation, is the inflicting of intense pain a violation of the constitution? A further question that does not translate well to a poll so just type out an answer...where does the line get drawn? When are police justified in using a taser, and when is it excessive?
    If someone is resisting arrest then sure the police should be allowed to use taser , tear gas, pepper spray or some other non-lethal tool at their disposal.
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I don't see any need to sign the ticket. The cop has the ticket reciept and if the person doesn't take the ticket the cop can mail it. Done. No need to get physical about a ticket. Unless a person is a danger there is no reason to lay hands on them.
    The procedure was implemented so that the ticket serves basically as a court summons and notification of a fine due. Simply signing the ticket, puts you automatically on a personal promise to pay the ticket or to appear in court to contest it. Refusing to sign the ticket is considered the same as a 'failure to appear' in court status, whereby a bench warrant is then issued for your arrest. If you fail to pay the fine or to appear in court then you are found 'guilty' and the fine is increased. Rather than pay court process servers, be forced into the extra paperwork/postage costs for a later notice or even having to rely on your address on the license being up to date, the simple signing of the ticket, at the time it is issued, was deemed to be the most efficient 'confirmation' method that you were properly served.
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    Re: Taser Use

    lpast-
    What I have seen of you in this thread is the typical combination of trite expressions, attempting to lecture civilians and dismissing people, me, who have some expertise on what it takes to handle pregnant women having a meltdown on the side of the road. I have 30 years of running with cops. Been buddies with several for all that time. Is how I got into Instructing and being the arrestee in training future LE. Oh the stories you cops tell during breaks in training... couple that with NTOA videos and my oh my some of the dumb things 'professional' LE do under stress/during a confrontation. The old dodge of "You weren't there" is rapidly running out with the increase of dash cams and mikes on cops. One of my cop buddies is the sheriff of the next county over, he fired a deputy for turning his mike off during a traffic stop.

    Now about the trite everyone hates cops till you need one.

    More to the point is everyone hates a punk cop, even when you need one.

    moving on-

    Tigger it is ignorant to think the only other chioce a cop has if you take the tasers away is to shoot someone.
    It is also ignorant to think tasers will be taken away, but I do think the rules for their use needs to be spelled out in simple, small words because apparently some in LE can't understand bigger ones.

    Again I state for all-

    NO ONE has refuted this- no CERTFIED Instructor for non lethal detention/apprehension teaches it is ok to tase a pregnant woman in the neck.

    Now if she has a death grip on the steering wheel a simple pressure point, and there are several available to the cop, has that death grip off faster than you can type it. (ask me how I know )

    But that takes training, confidence not arrogance, a bit of psychical conditioning- fat boys are handicapped because they can't climb in and use their weight.

    I don't hate cops, just have no love for the punk-a** ones. Some in LE need to be finding other kinds of work.

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