View Poll Results: Is using a taser to arrest a noncoperative but nonviolent person "excessive force"

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    When I was active, trust me...the baton hurts more and the pain can last for days....Police cannot have citizens routinely defying them...I know that sounds like we think were gods...but that has nothing to do with...we are sworn to protect and serve citizens and protect the peace...you cannot accomplish that with people routinely refusing to obey you.
    The police must have a means to Non lethally force compliance when necessary...back in my day more people were hurt including and especially police officers with batons as non lethal force and your fists and knees ...I believe hands down tasers are a much better solution, I also believe there were far more serious injuries and deaths prior to taser use...but in this new world of lawyers suing for ham sandwichs and cell phone cameras....it just gets more media attention....If you take tasers, trust police will still get the job done...and you could like the means to that end alot less
    Exactly, thank you lpast. Police can't have people disobeying direct orders, they have to be in control in order to do their jobs. And yes, tasers are waaaay preferable to a truncheon or a hard fist.

    And before anybody brings up "Waaah, what about the baby?', maybe she should have thought about her baby before she defied police orders.

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    When I was active, trust me...the baton hurts more and the pain can last for days....Police cannot have citizens routinely defying them...I know that sounds like we think were gods...but that has nothing to do with...we are sworn to protect and serve citizens and protect the peace...you cannot accomplish that with people routinely refusing to obey you.
    The police must have a means to Non lethally force compliance when necessary...back in my day more people were hurt including and especially police officers with batons as non lethal force and your fists and knees ...I believe hands down tasers are a much better solution, I also believe there were far more serious injuries and deaths prior to taser use...but in this new world of lawyers suing for ham sandwichs and cell phone cameras....it just gets more media attention....If you take tasers, trust police will still get the job done...and you could like the means to that end alot less

    I think it isn't the people that need to obey the police, but the police that need to obey the people. You are sworn to protect and serve, but you are not law enforcers. You are peace keepers, which people routinely forget. If a cop asks me a question that doesn't pertain to the situation I'm in then I should every right to tell him/her no. I have every right to not disclose information that isn't vitally important to whatever is going on.

    If I am not being violent in any sort of way, then that cop should have NO right to use a baton, taser, gun, or any other weapon be it lethal or not against me.
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    I think it isn't the people that need to obey the police, but the police that need to obey the people. You are sworn to protect and serve, but you are not law enforcers. You are peace keepers, which people routinely forget. If a cop asks me a question that doesn't pertain to the situation I'm in then I should every right to tell him/her no. I have every right to not disclose information that isn't vitally important to whatever is going on.

    If I am not being violent in any sort of way, then that cop should have NO right to use a baton, taser, gun, or any other weapon be it lethal or not against me.

    With all due respect sir...you dont have a clue what the hell your talking about...and I wont even attempt to explain it to you...it would bounce off you

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    With all due respect sir...you dont have a clue what the hell your talking about...and I wont even attempt to explain it to you...it would bounce off you
    Trust me...I'm more open then a lot of people around here.

    Please, explain it to me...this is a debate forum and I would actually like to hear something from the other side.
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    Re: Taser Use

    the key is in knowing exactly what you are require to do in the event of a police confrontation.... do only that which you are required, by law, to do... and if the cop wants more, he can get bent.

    .. but be prepared to answer, in court, as to why you defied the cop.. and prepare yourself to be on the wrong side of force while defying him/her.

    do not fall for the " you must obey the police" horse****... you must follow the law.. and he must follow the law... that is all that is required.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post

    I take things on a case-by-case basis, Red. I don't generalize. Usually. Get it???
    Which leads to the second part of the question, where does the line get drawn? There has to be a clear line drawn somewhere, if just to protect the police from lawsuits. From the sound of it, the law as it currently is was somewhat vague.
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    Re: Taser Use

    The police should have forcibly removed her from the car, and if she began kicking at them or fighting them, then the taser was appropriately used in my opinion. Obviously the officers did not want to follow normal extrication procedures by yanking her out and flinging her on the ground because of her advanced pregnancy. The other option was spraying mace in her face, also extremely painful for a much longer period of time, or cracking her with a baton.

    The woman clearly believed her pregnancy put her above the law, and refused lawful orders to sign the ticket and exit the car. Sorry, lady, it doesn't work like that.

    So no, I do not believe excessive force was used.
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    Tazing a pregnant woman that refuses to sign a ticket and is non violent, is overboard. Plain and simple.

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    I think it isn't the people that need to obey the police, but the police that need to obey the people. You are sworn to protect and serve, but you are not law enforcers. You are peace keepers, which people routinely forget. If a cop asks me a question that doesn't pertain to the situation I'm in then I should every right to tell him/her no. I have every right to not disclose information that isn't vitally important to whatever is going on.

    If I am not being violent in any sort of way, then that cop should have NO right to use a baton, taser, gun, or any other weapon be it lethal or not against me.

    First of all Police are law enforcement officers...enforce the laws as written is what we do...we do not obey the people...we work for the people and unfortunately its some of the people that we have to taser and arrest and sometimes shoot.
    Lets round this up quickly...if people were allowed to disobey the police in the course of arrests or doing their duty...police eventually would be rendered useless and the wild west would be promptly back as the rule of society...he who shoots first wins.
    If your stopped for a traffic violation that police officer is ENFORCING TRAFFIC LAWS....You do not get to decide what information is pertinent to the situation, the police have sole dibs on that...no cop is going to ask you frivolous questions for fun...they dont have time for that...If you are told you are under arrest and you non violently refuse to comply after reasonable non contact means to get your compliance...well you know what happened to the young lady that caused this thread to be written....

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    Re: Taser Use

    Are you a cop Ipast?

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