View Poll Results: Is using a taser to arrest a noncoperative but nonviolent person "excessive force"

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    This article, "Taser Pain May Be Considered by Supreme Court as Excessive Force," made it seem that the Courts were considering whether or not taser pain [all taser pain?] would be considered excessive force. If that's not the case, alright.
    So you read the headline and not the article but thought you where in a position to comment? I see.....
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Alot of people dont like cops because they have alot of negative interaction with them...by breaking the law and being scumbags... They were always my favorite detractors and haters...
    Is that quantifiable or just an assertion? I know quite a few people who dislike the cops not because they are breaking the law but rather they view the expansion of police powers against the rights and liberties of the individual to be sickening and dangerous. Also cops are far from the perfect sort of folk and often we hear about corruption and abuse (which has to make one think about how much corruption and abuse we don't hear about). The cops are an armed division of the government and should be treated with the same amount of distrust that government should receive.

    Also, "a lot" is two words.
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    Re: Taser Use

    In this particular case, I'd say it was excessive and unnecessary. Given that she was pregnant particularly, and all she did was refuse to sign the ticket.


    Personally I think the notion of arresting someone for refusing to sign a ticket is also excessive. Just write "subject refuses to sign ticket" and charge her an extra ten bucks for the bother.

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    In this particular case, I'd say it was excessive and unnecessary. Given that she was pregnant particularly, and all she did was refuse to sign the ticket.


    Personally I think the notion of arresting someone for refusing to sign a ticket is also excessive. Just write "subject refuses to sign ticket" and charge her an extra ten bucks for the bother.
    I see where you're at on the issue, but it is possible that she was so abusive verbally that the officer lost all compassion. It would have been easier for her to just sign the ticket and fight in court if she felt right.
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    Re: Taser Use

    Wow, this turned into a real crapfest.

    Now what struck me is the apparent shallowness of training those claiming to be some sort of LE type appear to have. If I understand their levels it is shot 'em, baton 'em, punch 'em, tase 'em, pull on an arm and the lowest level, ask them to comply. I am rather shocked that they don't know 'better' than that. I got to play citizen during a Reserve Academy. VERY INTERESTING. The experts so far have failed to mention come along techniques, pressure points and instead of beating people with the baton, using it as additional leverage in various holds. (Boy howdy- it does work!)

    I figure the cops in the OP must have had crappy apprehension and detention training. I can't see certified trainers saying it is safe to taze pregnant women in the neck. I can't see the trainers not teaching pressure point and come along techniques. The pain in using pressure points is intense, but it isn't 50,000 volts through the nervous system. It is also over as soon as you stop applying the pressure.

    Biggest problem I saw with cops, deputies, reserves is a lack of experience mixing it up. They fear that punch. If they are taught the above non taser, non beating the detainee techniques they don't keep current on the methods and it is far easier to just tase the bastard.

    The first go rounds with the reserve academy students it was easily my win. The lead Instructor told the students to treat the detainees hard because the detainees will not spare them. Still hesitation made 'em easy meat. By the time we got to domestics they gave it back but good. I tried repeatedly to strip the pistol and got halted but good without being beaten down... training gentlemen, training and the confidence/guts to see it through without shooting/tasing/beating with a baton.

    Anyway tasers used frequently and that is a comparison to the rest of the force and not a nationwide number, but cops using their tasers a lot are generally one of three types, or a combination of several...

    Lazy

    Poorly trained

    afraid to go toe to toe.

    Tasers have their place, but not on simple traffic stops on PG women.

    Perhaps the woman would have sued no matter what, it is however a much harder to sell to a jury if she complains about being pinched between her thumb and forefinger on one hand and had her other arm lifted up REAL HIGH behind her back, vs hospital pics of burn spots on her neck

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Taser Pain May Be Considered by Supreme Court as Excessive Force - Yahoo! News



    She sued the cops, and right now has won the suit, however the cops where granted immunity due to the law being considered too vague. Thursday SCOTUS meets to decide whether to hear the case.

    So, now the question: the woman was no threat and was simply refusing to comply. In that type situation, is the inflicting of intense pain a violation of the constitution? A further question that does not translate well to a poll so just type out an answer...where does the line get drawn? When are police justified in using a taser, and when is it excessive?
    Anyone who refuses to cooperate deserves the crap tasered out of them, or in this case pee.
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    Anyone who refuses to cooperate deserves the crap tasered out of them, or in this case pee.
    Obey or die huh? Rather Orwellian, don't you think?
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    Anyone who refuses to cooperate deserves the crap tasered out of them, or in this case pee.
    This type of thinking is the reason for an increase in an authoritarian state. Cooperation and obedience or harm will befall you.
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Obey or die huh? Rather Orwellian, don't you think?
    I don't think he mentioned death.

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Obey or die huh? Rather Orwellian, don't you think?
    Exactly I've been tasered 6 times and each time I died....

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