View Poll Results: Is using a taser to arrest a noncoperative but nonviolent person "excessive force"

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Thread: Taser Use

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    The case we are talking about was 2004? Oh... they changed the law and it is better now then? Good.

    Why are we talking about this case then?

    Give cop haters more reason to hate...lol...nah the thread was started to discuss the use of tasers and when they were appropriate to apply and when not and where is the line drawn...the signing the ticket thing came up when I mentioned we meaning my dept never required that..we just wrote the ticket and handed it to them and everyone went their way.

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Can you explain how not signing a ticket = being arrested in the first place? What kind of dumb **** law is that?
    It is to protect your rights, as you can be arrested for failure to appear in court or for not paying the ticket. The procedure assures that officers actually issued you the ticket which usually has a pay by date and a scheduled court appearance date on it. How many parking tickets were said to have 'blown away' after being secured under the wiper blades?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    It is to protect your rights, as you can be arrested for failure to appear in court or for not paying the ticket. The procedure assures that officers actually issued you the ticket which usually has a pay by date and a scheduled court appearance date on it. How many parking tickets were said to have 'blown away' after being secured under the wiper blades?
    No one has to sign tickets that are under a wiper blade anyway...thats why the law makes no sense...summons books have copies..the officer signs that he gave you a copy of the ticket...no you can rip it up in front of me...and Id shrug and say...hope you remember the fine and the court date...and I walk away...I have my copy that I turn in

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    The case we are talking about was 2004? Oh... they changed the law and it is better now then? Good.

    Why are we talking about this case then?
    All the way back at post 1, there is an explanation.
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    No one has to sign tickets that are under a wiper blade anyway...thats why the law makes no sense...summons books have copies..the officer signs that he gave you a copy of the ticket...no you can rip it up in front of me...and Id shrug and say...hope you remember the fine and the court date...and I walk away...I have my copy that I turn in
    I know that parking tickets don't have to be signed, but moving violations at least used to be. What is to prevent the officer from writing several tickets in a single stop and not handing the driver all of them? If I am given a cheap ticket (out of date tags/inspection) I simply pay it, but for serious offenses (102 in a 55, or not having proof of insurance) it is worth a try in court. If you don't pay the ticket or appear in court then the fine doubles and you get pencil whipped but good by the system, perhaps even getting your license suspended or revoked and having an FTA bench warrant issued.
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    Re: Taser Use

    This is one of those situations where I'm not sure there was a good answer. They probably shouldn't have used the taser on a pregnant woman who wasn't resisting them violently. Especially since they still ended up having to physically drag her out of the car. Then again, we have no idea what the woman would have done had she not been tased before being dragged out. Maybe she would have struggled harder, and getting into a physical struggle with a pregnant woman isn't a good idea either. I don't think this particular case is as bad as some I've heard. But in some cases I do think the police are resorting to using tasers too readily, simply out of laziness. And my other problem with taser use is that though they are marketed as non-lethal weapons, there are cases in which they can be lethal, and although those cases are very rare, there is generally no way of telling before using the taser whether it will kill the person it's being used on.
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    Re: Taser Use

    For those of you suggesting it's always Excessive Force....

    If we take the Tasers away from the LEO's you do realize that the only weapon they have capable of ranged submission of a subject becomes a firearm, right?

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    Re: Taser Use

    Tasers should only be used in situations police would otherwise use firearms or batons/punching/tackling in, not because someone's being a pain in the arse.
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    For those of you suggesting it's always Excessive Force....

    If we take the Tasers away from the LEO's you do realize that the only weapon they have capable of ranged submission of a subject becomes a firearm, right?
    So before the introduction of tasers, the police would have shot the woman in the OP?
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    So before the introduction of tasers, the police would have shot the woman in the OP?
    Would have..... Probably not.
    SHOULD have..... Definitely.

    I was raised that you did not ignore or disobey a Law Enforcement Officer... PERIOD. If you had a problem with them, you contacted the department AFTER the fact and filed a complaint; but you did what the officer told you to do at that moment.

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