View Poll Results: Is using a taser to arrest a noncoperative but nonviolent person "excessive force"

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Thread: Taser Use

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    You get arrested alot it sounds like...most assholes do but you made my point for me in this thread...you came along like a good boy...we like that...COs especially like that...lol
    i've been arrested numerous times ( all misdemeanor stuff.. mostly for fighting and drinkin, or a combination thereof).. .24 arrests, 2 convictions( plead guilty)... 22 victory winks to the cops who arrest me on my way out of the courtroom. ( y'all don't tend to like those)

    of course I come along like a "good boy" ( nice, a demeaning attitude from a cop.. how original ).. you guy have the naked force advantage, and the badge to back you up..... I might be an alpha male, but i'm far from stupid.
    CO's are barely even human.. they get no respect from me.


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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Obviously they had already tried to pull her out and she resisted.
    That's not obvious because it says that nowhere in the article.

    They were then faced with forcibly yanking her out and flinging her onto the ground to be cuffed.
    No, they weren't. That's the false choice you've created.

    She was 7 months pregnant. I ask again... this woman who created this situation, escalated this situation, is now under arrest so she MUST be taken into the station and booked... how do you safely get her out if she refuses to comply?
    Already answered, although I wouldn't mind adding pepper spray as a solution.

    They handled it the way they felt best, and we... as usual, lol... are second-guessing them without the benefit of knowing all the details.
    I don't know if they handled the best they could. I don't think they did, though. And this a debate site, so debating or "second-guessing" is the name of the game, so...

    Any way you slice it, the entire situation was completely her fault, and her fault alone.
    Irrelevant. The thread and my comments are about proper use of force, not whose fault it is.

    These are basically your options: Yank her out and throw her to the ground; mace her; hit her with the baton; tase her.
    False choices.

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Point to where Ive said anything different than that...heres what I said..and Ill say it again...once your placed under arrest...your going one way or another...and I stand by that.
    no argument there.. once under arrest, you might as well give it up... hell, once i'm under arrest, I don't even talk to cops, let alone resist arrest.

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    They werent simply sitting down...they were placed under arrest and refusing to exit the vehicle...so if the police didnt taser her...and just bully grabbed her and fought her out of the car and she got badly hurt...that would have been better ?...now keep this one thought in mind...shes under arrest...no matter what she has got to go in the end...so the question is how do you get there if shes refusing
    You know where she lives. She is not Jeffrey Dahmer. She did not rob a bank. She did not get violent. She refused to comply in getting out of her vehicle. She was pregnant. She said she had to pee. If she got out and peed? If she got out and cramped? Would they escort her to the nearest bathroom so she could relieve her already full bladder with a baby sitting on top of it? No.
    There is a line to arresting someone and tazering them for not signing a piece of fracking paper. It could have been handled differently. They were out of line. I hope she sues. And I hope she wins.
    With that said.....she was wrong to begin with but that doesnt excuse being tazered. Period.
    And I love every sheriff in this town. I always show respect, but I expect respect in return. A cop has no rights in enforcing the law where they torture me. Period. Or anyone.

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    Re: Taser Use

    Use of a taser should not be needed for passive resistance (simply going limp). If she had a 'death grip' on the steering wheel that is not passive resistance, as she was using force to remain in the car; that would constitute resisting arrest, IMHO, allowing the use of force (incuding the taser) to get her out of her vehicle and into the police car. Simply going limp and making the officer(s) carry or drag you would not warrant the use of the taser.
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    no argument there.. once under arrest, you might as well give it up... hell, once i'm under arrest, I don't even talk to cops, let alone resist arrest.
    Yeah, the resisting arrest thing has never made sense to me; it's too risky. I'd rather just go wherever, get a lawyer and then take it from there.

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    There ya go...good sound common sense...the taser imho was by far the best way to go and the proof of that is the end result...shes fine
    But why do they need to remove her at all? Why does she need to sign the ticket either? Send it to her in the mail with a non-compliance fine or something but tasing a person like this is cowardly bull**** and the ****stick cops should be beaten.
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I thought about that. Although, I think tasing automatically puts her in an amount of danger that attempting to forcibly remove her without excessive violence does not. I tend to think that 2-3 male cops could remove her from her car without hurting her too badly.
    Pregnant women, steering wheel, unstable situation...yeah, physically removing her has trouble written all over it.
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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    But why do they need to remove her at all? Why does she need to sign the ticket either? Send it to her in the mail with a non-compliance fine or something but tasing a person like this is cowardly bull**** and the ****stick cops should be beaten.

    Not according to the law I cites in this thread. Moreover, the officers only need to submit affidavits that they did indeed issue a ticket and the burden in then upon the driver to dispute those assertions in court or receive a default judgement and possible bench warrant for failure to appear.

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    Re: Taser Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    From what I researched the law in Washington State regarding signing a ticket, the law was changed in 2006 where the person being issued a ticket was not required to sign the citation. She refused to get out of the car. That is not required in this for issuance of a ticket. If such is the current law then the use of the tasers was excessive and police procedure should come into question.

    The body of the law is as follows:


    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2005-06/Pdf/Amendments/Senate/1650-S AMS KLIN S5393.2.pdf
    This case happened in 2004.
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