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Is This Ad Fair?

Is this ad fair?


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So...you think its bad sportsmanship that the GOP candidates did it...not that the Obama campaign is using it?
Yeah. Anything that's out there is fair game for the other side to use. Politics is basically combat with words, instead of guns.

Bad sportsmanship...I dont know. But certainly bad tactics. Gingrich went from looking like a statesman with no chance of winning to a bitter, angry dishonest failure with no chance of winning. Not bad sportsmanship...just...stupid.

Gingrich was always a bitter asshole. I'm surprised he lasted as long as he did in the political arena. Rick Perry is a corrupt mother ****er that will drag anyone down with him at any cost. When they lose, they don't shake hands, and say good game, they sucker punch you in the dick, and hold on to an everlasting grudge until it either destroys them, or the person who defeated them. Hardly the kind of people I want running my country.
 
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I think you guys are getting confused... I'm sure most/all of these clips were said before the primary when all of these candidates were still running.

Then I retract the poor sportsmanship bit. I will not, however, retract my disgust for Perry and Gingrich.
 
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It's fair for the Obama campaign to use the words of Republicans like that, but I don't know enough details to know if those other Republicans were being fair in the first place. If there's any unfairness, blame the Republicans.
 
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It's as fair as anything else is in politics. If a candidate chooses to bring their corporate experience up as part of their campaign, then they invite others to question it.
 
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It's fair for the Obama campaign to use the words of Republicans like that, but I don't know enough details to know if those other Republicans were being fair in the first place. If there's any unfairness, blame the Republicans.

AS I remember, the charges where a mixed bag. However, most of the comments in the video do not really fact check well, they are simply opiniuons on Bain and Romney's role there.
 
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I think you guys are getting confused... I'm sure most/all of these clips were said before the primary when all of these candidates were still running.

That's what I thought as well.

As someone already said, all's fair in love and politics.

Whether or not this ad is effective is another question. I think it's too choppy to be effective. I felt I was listening to one incomplete sentence after another. Had this been a short 30 second ad, the incomplete sentences may not have been so noticeable, but in a 2 minute clip they were.
 
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Whether or not this ad is effective is another question. I think it's too choppy to be effective. I felt I was listening to one incomplete sentence after another. Had this been a short 30 second ad, the incomplete sentences may not have been so noticeable, but in a 2 minute clip they were.

I find that an interesting, well thought out criticism. Now that you mention it, it is pretty bad in that way and flows poorly.
 
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Whether or not this ad is effective is another question. I think it's too choppy to be effective. I felt I was listening to one incomplete sentence after another. Had this been a short 30 second ad, the incomplete sentences may not have been so noticeable, but in a 2 minute clip they were.
I agree this is a good comment. The ad did feel kind of choppy. Near the end I kind of felt "ok, ok, we get it".
 
Holy ****, liberal, conservative and centrist all come together to agree on something!
 
Politics stink. So do politicians. If you run on a record of creating jobs and your own corporate experience, then bend over and take it like a man. It's perfectly fair. :shrug:

Then again, I'd also think it fair if there are ads proving that in 2008 Obama had not one lick of public service experience, and that once elected to any position he immediately started campaigning for the next step up without bothering to actually perform the job he'd been elected to do.... and pointing out how many times that inexperience has shown as he fumbled the past 3-1/2 years trying to learn some of what he should have already known when he pronounced himself qualified to be president.

Clearly, I am not enamored with either of these guys.
 
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I dont think thats the intent of the OP though. Is it FAIR to run ads from your party opponents to attack you during the campaign?

Sure its fair, just as using the persons OWN previous statements. This contest will be a battle of the flip-flops for sure. ;-)
 
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Is this ad fair?

Using a candidates rival's words against him is not only fair it is poetic in my opinion, even if they were poorly edited.
 
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Back when BushI and St. Ronald faced off, BushI called Ronnie's economic policies- 'voo-doo' economics. It stuck for a minute till Ronnie hugged BushI for the VP, it was interesting to say the least to see BushI back pedal.

Perhaps the only lasting thing will be further refining the vulture capitalist comments to make a bumper sticker type attack slogan.

Depending on how many scandals break about insider tip-offs, trading, leveraged buy-outs, collapsing investment schemes, the vulture capitalism tagline just might stick.
 
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Any ad that is true is a fair ad...its ads that contain mistruths and lies and fabrications that are dirty ads in my opinion...I take ads that are truthful as informative ads....and that works for both sides.

This ad is more than fair...because bain actually did this when romney was there...

The 32-second ad targets Romney and Bain Capital for driving office supplies plant Ampad into bankruptcy and features former employee Loris Huffman, who worked at the company for 34 years before Romney's actions left her with no health care insurance.
"I thought that I was going to retire from there. I had about two and a half years to go," says Huffman in the ad. "I was suddenly 60 years old. I had no health care and that’s scary. When Mitt Romney did that, he -- he made -- he made me sick."
The ad is part of the pro-Obama super PAC's $4 million ad campaign devoted to exposing Romney's "real record" at Bain Capital.


Priorities USA Action Ad Attacks Mitt Romney Over Bain Capital


Now if this ad is a total fabrication...and romneys camp demonstates that...then the ad will go up in flames.
 
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It's fair, but it's dishonest and manipulative.
 
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He is trying to hoodwink the people. Corporate role and public administration are two different things.
 
Watch the ad. The question is whether it is fair to attack Romney in the way the ad does, using the words of other republicans, and is it fair to attack his record at Bain?

Politicians go after anything they can. So fair doesn't really apply.

Is the ad honest? No, not really. It is easy to look at the record Bain has (Romney at Bain Capital: Big Gains, Some Busts - WSJ.com), and see they have had both success and failure, which is normal for that type of company. Of course it leaves out the uncomfortable truth that the guy that has gone down this road of attacks (Obama) has received political donations from Bain as well (and yes, he has a record of accepting donations from companies/industries he bashes).

There will be some success with this sort of ad though, due to the many people being uninformed, or too lazy to do their own homework.
 
Politicians go after anything they can. So fair doesn't really apply.

Is the ad honest? No, not really. It is easy to look at the record Bain has (Romney at Bain Capital: Big Gains, Some Busts - WSJ.com), and see they have had both success and failure, which is normal for that type of company. Of course it leaves out the uncomfortable truth that the guy that has gone down this road of attacks (Obama) has received political donations from Bain as well (and yes, he has a record of accepting donations from companies/industries he bashes).

There will be some success with this sort of ad though, due to the many people being uninformed, or too lazy to do their own homework.


The main point about bain as I see it...is simple.

A group running a company and running it well, that produces a good product at a fair price, who grows the business and makes alot of profit...is what capitolism is all about.

Scumbags that buy companies just because they have enough money to do that...and buy it with the intent of just crashing it and without any consideration for the many people they hurt and sometimes destroy in the process for a buck...are ALL THATS WRONG with our system and they are the lowest of life forms.....thats how I see it.....and the gop wants to give these kinds of pigs another tax cut and the workers they hurt badly...the gop wants to make them pay more for medicare and have less social security to give the rich another tax cut....
 
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Expect more adds like this from Obama, he can’t talk abouthis achievements as president, he has none.

I bet you wont see any ads from romeny about the success bain capitol had destroying the lives of many middle class in the process...lets get real....romney is the KING of dirty lieing ads...ask the entire republican primary field
 
The main point about bain as I see it...is simple.

A group running a company and running it well, that produces a good product at a fair price, who grows the business and makes alot of profit...is what capitolism is all about.

Scumbags that buy companies just because they have enough money to do that...and buy it with the intent of just crashing it and without any consideration for the many people they hurt and sometimes destroy in the process for a buck...are ALL THATS WRONG with our system and they are the lowest of life forms.....thats how I see it.....and the gop wants to give these kinds of pigs another tax cut and the workers they hurt badly...the gop wants to make them pay more for medicare and have less social security to give the rich another tax cut....

What a confused rant.
 
Point one) It seems as if this is being attributed to Obama himself, when in fact he likely had very little (if anything) to do with it.

Point two) The Ad itself consists of Republicans, trying to rip another Republican apart, thus any dishonesty must be placed ate the feet of the people who made the comments.

Point three) It seems a bit dishonest, to harsh on Obama, considering how much garbage he has had to take over Sylindra...which was basically a Bain Capital move, without the money grab.
 
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1. i hate negative ads. i'd prefer to see them disappear.

2. what i see in the ad are Republicans pointing out a serious flaw in trickle down economic theory. if trickle down worked as advertised, they wouldn't have had to take that tactic. in reality, trickle down is extremely inefficient at best and a failure at worst. if i were running against that, my strategy would be to highlight the failures of the theory and promote an alternative strategy packaged as "trickle up" economics. simple, easy to understand, and easy to make a compelling case for. this would score more points than attack ad after attack ad.
 
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