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    Re: Is This Add Fair?

    the attacks are fair ( it's politics, after all)... what's not really fair is the characterization of venture capitalists.

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    Re: Is This Ad Fair?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Watch the ad. The question is whether it is fair to attack Romney in the way the ad does, using the words of other republicans, and is it fair to attack his record at Bain?
    Edit: I realize what is fair or unfair is somewhat ambiguous and is done intentionally.
    Its always fair to use your own party opponents against you and frankly its the only way I WOULD attack an opponent directly. That would leave me to make my own ads strictly positive. Fair? Heck yeah!

    Now...where it gives the candidate the opportunity to show that People like Gingrich lied about the record of Bain (and there have been articles and videos to clearly prove Gingrich was lying) AND when you align your voice with someone who you yourself (not 'you' specifically but the generic 'you') have called a liar...well...you also cant be shocked when some of your **** you are slinging gets splattered right back on you. Just as the president is now attacking Bain for causing failing organizations to restructure, shut down, economize, streamline, etc, didnt Obama and the fed do the exact same thing with General Motors? Personally I think you run the risk of making yourself look pretty stupid, and Candidate Romney probably should save his responses for their debates and drop them on Obama when he is stuck without a speechwriter and teleprompter and make him answer how he is any different.

    but fair...absolutely.

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    Re: Is This Ad Fair?

    As long as it's true, and not lies-by-omission, then it's perfectly fair. In fact, we should be focusing more on what candidates have done in the past than what they say in a campaign. That's a more accurate gauge of who and what a candidate really is.

    I chose "borderline fair" in the poll only because I am not sure exactly how true the claims of the others are.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Is This Ad Fair?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Watch the ad. The question is whether it is fair to attack Romney in the way the ad does, using the words of other republicans, and is it fair to attack his record at Bain?



    Edit: I realize what is fair or unfair is somewhat ambiguous and is done intentionally.
    I think it's fair game, but I think it's funny for people like Gingrich and Perry to attack him on that specific topic.
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    Re: Is This Ad Fair?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    I think it's fair game, but I think it's funny for people like Gingrich and Perry to attack him on that specific topic.
    Truthful, Fair, and exactly what everyone expected would happen after the fog cleared.

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    Re: Is This Ad Fair?

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Truthful, Fair, and exactly what everyone expected would happen after the fog cleared.
    And hypocritical of the republican candidates who are criticizing him.
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    Re: Is This Add Fair?

    The Bain overall record, while Romney was heavily involved, was a good with about an 80% success rate in making its 'clients' stronger and producing new hiring. It is rediculous to examine any single client company of Bain and portray it as 'typical'. Just as the weight loss prodect/service ads never show the typical success story (nor any of its failures) they are not necessarily 'unfair' ads. The purpose of any ad is to make an impression, in this case a negative impression of Romney, by citing ONE of Bain's 'failures'. Of course, any thinking person knows that the entire U.S. steel industry is in bad shape. The Romney camp should simply counter with Staples and a slew of other prosperous Bain 'client' companies. Obama, via the spewing of tax money to multiple green and union companies, that just happen to have supported his candidacy, but that lost jobs is another likely GOP ad. Obama has no room to run on his own economic achievements, so he must revert to simply saying that it could be worse. Yes he can!
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    Re: Is This Add Fair?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The Bain overall record, while Romney was heavily involved, was a good with about an 80% success rate in making its 'clients' stronger and producing new hiring. It is rediculous to examine any single client company of Bain and portray it as 'typical'. Just as the weight loss prodect/service ads never show the typical success story (nor any of its failures) they are not necessarily 'unfair' ads. The purpose of any ad is to make an impression, in this case a negative impression of Romney, by citing ONE of Bain's 'failures'. Of course, any thinking person knows that the entire U.S. steel industry is in bad shape. The Romney camp should simply counter with Staples and a slew of other prosperous Bain 'client' companies. Obama, via the spewing of tax money to multiple green and union companies, that just happen to have supported his candidacy, but that lost jobs is another likely GOP ad. Obama has no room to run on his own economic achievements, so he must revert to simply saying that it could be worse. Yes he can!
    I dont think thats the intent of the OP though. Is it FAIR to run ads from your party opponents to attack you during the campaign?

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    Re: Is This Add Fair?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I dont think thats the intent of the OP though. Is it FAIR to run ads from your party opponents to attack you during the campaign?
    I think it shows that the GOP has terrible sportsmanship, since all those guys lost, but his history is fair game for anyone to pick at, imo. They're just doing it in a very ****ty manor. The GOP isn't going to win this one, but 2016 may be theirs, as long as they provide serious candidates, instead of the jokes vying for the nomination this cycle.
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    Re: Is This Add Fair?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    I think it shows that the GOP has terrible sportsmanship, since all those guys lost, but his history is fair game for anyone to pick at, imo. They're just doing it in a very ****ty manor. The GOP isn't going to win this one, but 2016 may be theirs, as long as they provide serious candidates, instead of the jokes vying for the nomination this cycle.
    I agree with the deficit class of clowns running...in both parties. Unfortunately, enough mindless muppets that affiliate with both parties will continue to vote for them and the country will continue to get the same class and caliber of candidates. But are you really suggesting it is bad sportsmanship to use their words in the presidential campaign because they lost or am I misreading you?

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