View Poll Results: Will China become the next hegemonic power?

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    Re: China the next power?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Yes, but the Chinese military is still dominated by men and more men.. and not by expensive technology, hence the several million men under arms by China are far far cheaper than the US military. Hence the Chinese economy, which is booming, can easily absorb the cost and even higher cost, where as the US is having problems. Like it or not, the US military is hugely expensive compared to what you get out of it.
    Well pete I disagree totally with your last sentence...we get every penny we spend out of those kids...I dont care what the military costs if its to keep our kids alive and healthy...if your going to send them to every chithole in the world then make sure you give them everything they need and more....I wont budge on that belief....

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    Re: China the next power?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Well pete I disagree totally with your last sentence...we get every penny we spend out of those kids...I dont care what the military costs if its to keep our kids alive and healthy...if your going to send them to every chithole in the world then make sure you give them everything they need and more....I wont budge on that belief....
    Has nothing what so ever to do with keeping the kids alive and healthy... that would be a noble goal!

    If that was true, then why is it that US military members had to buy their own body armour for the Iraq war? Why did the US military have to refit tons of equipment at hugely expensive costs just because they some how had missed that there are mines/IDFs or the middle east has a lot of dust? You just gave up a multi billion dollar base in Iraq, built with all the home comforts of Burger King, Mac D, and so on... does that keep your troops safe.. not healthy that is for sure... You have a multi billion dollar new fighter aircraft that is suppose to be stealth, but is not that stealthy, and oh yea.. the pilots can choke while flying the craft.. just a small bug. I am all for keeping troops as safe as possible and healthy as possible, but that does not come with faulty expensive military gear that often the military actually dont want or need.

    Like it or not, the amount of waste in US military spending is massive and it is costing the US hand over fist to maintain its expensive military presence world wide. That is no difference to the British Empire or any other Empire through out history and eventually the cost of military presence outside your borders lead to the decline and ultimately destruction of those empires. The list is very very long, and every time it is the price of military power that is the key part of the downfall.
    Last edited by PeteEU; 05-25-12 at 09:37 AM.
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    Re: China the next power?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Going to be? It already is.. the US is just in denial and clinging to its power just as the empires the US took power from.
    I totally disagree. The process and requisites (to put it lightly) to become the hegemonic power is extremely complex. It isn't solely based on military power.

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    Re: China the next power?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightning View Post
    I totally disagree. The process and requisites (to put it lightly) to become the hegemonic power is extremely complex. It isn't solely based on military power.
    It aint? Okay show me an empire/powerful nation that did not base its power on military power...
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    Re: China the next power?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    China, even though its seen massive growth in the last decade, is still quite unstable. They are almost over inflating themselves. I think sometime very soon you will see them eventually come back down to earth.
    China could see an economic downturn, but there are other aspect to consider.

    Will China attack Taiwan, the Phillippines, or any other nearby nation? Will they use their military to create their own version of the USSR?

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    Re: China the next power?

    China has recently overtaken Japan as the world's second biggest economy and ironically china is the biggest financier of the debts of the world's biggest economy. So no need to think twice.

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    Re: China the next power?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    It aint? Okay show me an empire/powerful nation that did not base its power on military power...

    I agree with the statement, but times have changed. In the past Nations had to go to the colonies to exert influence. Now, it is fiber-optic communications moving investments and capital to areas of opportunity. The Chinese have the money because of hard work, good planning, good fortune, and huge corruption in the outside world's banking community. They are building a strong Navy and will be able to establish a presence wherever they have investments for protection, etc. Our military props up dictatorships wherever we need that Nations resources and spouts buzzwords like "democracy," "justice," liberty." "freedom," while actually propping up anything but the definition of those words. I think we will suffer a serious fall because of our arrogance and protection of our predatory Corporations overseas, but then "helping USA Corporations overseas" is the CIA charter. That's not helping John Q. Smith. As a matter of fact the CIA says, "Who the hell is John Smith?" That'd be you and me, bubba.

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    Re: China the next power?

    Not to mention that WE, the U.S. taxpayers, entirely fund the Chinese military, thruough our interest payments to China on our national debt.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: China the next power?

    The U.S. military is indeed capable of nearly any MILITARY mission, but that does NOT include nation building, acting as a foreign police force or in a long term 'peace keeping' capacity. If the most powerful military on the planet can not get beyond a stalemate, against an enemy in Afghanistan that has no navy, no air force and a 'rag tag', at best, army then we have a very bad battle plan. The U.S. military has not "won" a conflict or war since the liberation of Kuwait, prior to that WWII - not exactly a great record considering the number of other "missions" that they have been sent on or the billions (trillions?) that have been wasted trying to do so.
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    Re: China the next power?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The U.S. military is indeed capable of nearly any MILITARY mission, but that does NOT include nation building, acting as a foreign police force or in a long term 'peace keeping' capacity. If the most powerful military on the planet can not get beyond a stalemate, against an enemy in Afghanistan that has no navy, no air force and a 'rag tag', at best, army then we have a very bad battle plan. The U.S. military has not "won" a conflict or war since the liberation of Kuwait, prior to that WWII - not exactly a great record considering the number of other "missions" that they have been sent on or the billions (trillions?) that have been wasted trying to do so.

    On the other hand, the huge Corporations that build, supply, and outfit our Militry always profit handsomely, especially if the "war" can become a quagmire or a stalemate. Resources and energy, especially energy (Exxon/Mobil, BP, Total, etc.), are purchased and used up at enormous rates and profit is exponential. If you have influence from K Street to Congress, perhaps you can ginup and keep continuing some very profitable, from the Corporate viewpoint, skirmishes. Also, Corporate may add protection to indefensible resources (Iraq). Attempt to ginup new resources (Iran). Sell lots of Corporate military to existing resources (Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman, Yemen, etc.). Expand markets to third world areas with new wars (Somalia, Sudan, Nigeria, Afghanistan, etc.). "Jus' Bidness" as they say in the OIL swamp and presidential suites.

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