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Doyou think Obamacare should be repealed?

Do you think Obamacare should be repealed?

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radcen said:
What is your point in referring to him by his middle name? Yes, it is his middle name... so what? It's not like he chose it. It's not like he uses it in daily life. It's not like he was born after people like Saddam came to power, and his parents chose it for that reason. Hence, it doesn't mean anything... AT ALL.

It's simply juvenile crap, and it clearly demonstrates a complete and utter lack of objectivity in your thinking. If I can't trust you to think logically on something as meaningless as their given name, then I certainly cannot trust you to put rational thought into anything that needs rational thought. Your failure is already demonstrated and proven.

You're doing yourself and your cause more of a disservice than you are obviously aware. Some people are their own worst enemies.
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I really don't understand why people continually point out to Navy that calling the president Hussein Obama makes everyone ignore him as a foaming-at-the-mouth rightwing hack. He's been doing it for years now, and it gets pointed out every time he does it. Either he gets it, and has decided to continue doing it for some reason, or he doesn't get it, and telling him for the 400th time isn't going to change anything. Anyone who's ever read any of Navy's threads since Obama took office knows that he's going to do it. If you click on one of Navy's threads, it's part and parcel of what you're signing up for. Just ****ing let it go.
 
radcen said:
What is your point in referring to him by his middle name? Yes, it is his middle name... so what? It's not like he chose it. It's not like he uses it in daily life. It's not like he was born after people like Saddam came to power, and his parents chose it for that reason. Hence, it doesn't mean anything... AT ALL.

It's simply juvenile crap, and it clearly demonstrates a complete and utter lack of objectivity in your thinking. If I can't trust you to think logically on something as meaningless as their given name, then I certainly cannot trust you to put rational thought into anything that needs rational thought. Your failure is already demonstrated and proven.



You're doing yourself and your cause more of a disservice than you are obviously aware. Some people are their own worst enemies.
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For the same reason you call yourself a centrist when in fact your a big liberal....
 
Looks like the poll is along party lines left and right.........I want to ask you lefties if Obama care is upheld............Where is the over a trillion dollars need to pay for it come from? Do any of you lefties have a check book? do you ever balance it? do you spend more money then you have???????simple questions...I will wait for your answers
 
Navy Pride said:
Don't believe that is and option........
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It is once Obamacare gets repealed. Maybe not right away, but with healthcare in this country going down the tube, we need something better. Requiring everyone to get health insurance and still ending up having to foot the bill for a good portion of the healthcare in this country isn't going to work. Standing around doing nothing isn't going to work either. And we aren't going to just let people die because they can't pay their medical bills.
 
Objective Voice said:
No, and if you've studied our nation's health care system at all levels - private insurance, government programs such as Medicare and Medicaid and tax subsidies related to health care incentives mostly for private businesses - AND you listened to the Supreme Court arguments on the health care reform law, you'd know that there is no alternative coming from Congress that fixes the problems in a meaningful way other than that which ObamaCare provides. Even Justice Scalia made this point very clear. In fact, the only alternatives that have been offered up where "WE, THE PEOPLE" can make a difference and take responsibility for our own health care while also paying very little out-of-pocket for it were:

1) The CLASS Act which was scrapped (and I predict will return in about a decade or so unless Medicare is reformed); or,

2) The Ryan Plan which I'm not convinced with help everyone but rather would just address Medicare entitlements for a short time and harm more people who are on it now rather than fix the problem in the long-term.

People may not like the health care mandate, but it's the only enforcement mechanism that's part of our health care system that has everyone paying into it which is what everyone wants, yet the side that came up with the idea in the first place is now fighting so hard to have removed from the law which basically puts us right back where we started.
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IMO, the "side" was the sane moderate Republicans from a few years ago, NOT todays tea-bagging conservatives...
And to NP....you do know that man has a propensity for lying, do you not ??
Doing a "spin" on the truth is, in my opinion, the same as lying.
Note that I use the word "man", not left or right.
 
Goshin said:
Yes, I want it repealed.... but we desperately need some healthcare reform.


Allowing interstate competition for healthcare insurance would be a nice start.
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That would do much. It is more likely that would raise prices more than lower them. But you're free to add that minor thing to some real reform. ;)
 
roguenuke said:
It is once Obamacare gets repealed. Maybe not right away, but with healthcare in this country going down the tube, we need something better. Requiring everyone to get health insurance and still ending up having to foot the bill for a good portion of the healthcare in this country isn't going to work. Standing around doing nothing isn't going to work either. And we aren't going to just let people die because they can't pay their medical bills.
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Repealing is NOT the answer....We have finally taken the first step, now we must take the second.
Having man improve his attitude is the answer, this is difficult and takes time.
 
Navy Pride said:
Looks like the poll is along party lines left and right.........I want to ask you lefties if Obama care is upheld............Where is the over a trillion dollars need to pay for it come from? Do any of you lefties have a check book? do you ever balance it? do you spend more money then you have???????simple questions...I will wait for your answers
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You should take a look at this...
PolitiFact | Ted Cruz says health reform
 
Well when it comes to repealing Obama Care it looks like the members on the left in DP as usual are way out of touch on this issue. Not surprising though the members on the left are usually out of touch on every issue when the come up against the American Public.

56% Favor Repeal of Health Care Law

Health Care Law - Rasmussen Reports™


Favor repeal 56% Oppose Repeal 37%
 
Navy Pride said:
Well when it comes to repealing Obama Care it looks like the members on the left in DP as usual are way out of touch on this issue.
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Well pretty much every single "fact" in that original video is a blantant lie.
And we are out of touch because we have a different opinion than you?

Not surprising though the members on the left are usually out of touch on every issue when the come up against the American Public.

56% Favor Repeal of Health Care Law

Health Care Law - Rasmussen Reports™


Favor repeal 56% Oppose Repeal 37%
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Cool story bro
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Well pretty much every single "fact" in that original video is a blantant lie.
And we are out of touch because we have a different opinion than you?


Cool story bro
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No not with me my left wing friend, you are out of touch with the whole country........

Favor repeal 56% Oppose Repeal 37%
 
Navy Pride said:
No not with me my left wing friend, you are out of touch with the whole country........

Favor repeal 56% Oppose Repeal 37%
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Cool. I dont care that "im out of touch" in your opinion. But the fact of the matter what your basing your opinion off of in not favoring this reform is all complete lies.. You do realize this right?
 
Navy Pride said:
I have and we could not pay for Obrama Care when it was a trillion..........How do we pay for it when its 2 trillion?:confused:
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"The CBO’s latest report updates those figures, but it looks at different years. The new gross estimate is $1.762 trillion -- the figure cited in Cruz’s tweet. But it looks at costs over 11 years -- 2012-2022 -- whereas the earlier report’s figure was for 10 years. And it’s important to note that the timespan of 2012 through 2022 covers nine years when the law is fully implemented (and thus its costs are greater).

So, when we compare the years encompassed in both reports (2012 through 2019), here’s how that apples-to-apples comparison shakes out.

In the CBO’s first estimate, the gross figure is $931 billion.

In the new estimate, the figure is $1.01 trillion.

That’s an increase of 8.6 percent -- "
 
Mycroft said:
LOL!!

Okay, you've got a point, there, since NP's lean if "very conservative". But that still doesn't mean I am left-wing.
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According to NP, everyone is left-wing but him.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Cool. I dont care that "im out of touch" in your opinion. But the fact of the matter what your basing your opinion off of in not favoring this reform is all complete lies.. You do realize this right?
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Who needs the truth? Lies work so much better if they support a belief system. :coffeepap
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Cool. I dont care that "im out of touch" in your opinion. But the fact of the matter what your basing your opinion off of in not favoring this reform is all complete lies.. You do realize this right?
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You keep saying my opinion but its not, its the opinion of the people of the USA that you are out of touch......I just agree with them...
 
Navy Pride said:
You keep saying my opinion but its not, its the opinion of the people of the USA that you are out of touch....
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Out of touch means: no longer conversant with facts.. Your "facts" you have presented have all be proven to be false and just a load of ****.
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.I just agree with them...
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If you wanna remain in the dark and agree with lies, then go right ahead.

The video is full of many fasification after watching it hell i found 1 within the first 2 minutes: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ting-medicare/

Also the bueracrat whole part about 15 of them will decide if you get care is a load of **** too.. Complete bull**** http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-cain-said-government-bureaucrats-will-deter/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-cain-said-government-bureaucrats-will-deter/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...oard-15-bureaucrats-who-will-decide-nation-s/
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/stat...one-says-health-care-advisory-board-can-rati/

http://www.politifact.com/florida/s...r-commerce-claims-20-million-people-will-los/
http://www.politifact.com/florida/s...mber-seniors-20-million-health-care-law-lose/
 
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It should be repealed, but more importantly the states should fight it to the death since that is supposed to be their domain.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Out of touch means: no longer conversant with facts.. Your "facts" you have presented have all be proven to be false and just a load of ****.
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If you wanna remain in the dark and agree with lies, then go right ahead.

The video is full of many fasification after watching it hell i found 1 within the first 2 minutes: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ting-medicare/

Also the bueracrat whole part about 15 of them will decide if you get care is a load of **** too.. Complete bull**** PolitiFact | Herman Cain said government bureaucrats will determine when you get a CAT scan once the new health care law begins
PolitiFact | Herman Cain said government bureaucrats will determine when you get a CAT scan once the new health care law begins
PolitiFact | IPAB board is 15 bureaucrats who will decide for the nation, says Michele Bachmann
PolitiFact Ohio | Pat Boone says health care advisory board can ration care and deny Medicare treatments

PolitiFact Florida | Chamber of Commerce claims 20 million people will lose their current coverage because of health care reform
PolitiFact Florida | U.S. Chamber tells seniors that 20 million could lose coverage under the health care law
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I posted a Rasmussen Poll that said 56% of the American people polled favored repealing Obamacare and 37% were against the repeal.......How can that be a false fact?:confused:
 
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