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    Re: Doyou think Obamacare should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    Yeah, but this is America you're talking about. Being a dick is practically encoded into our DNA.
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    No...I called YOUR little thing a drop in the bucket...you know, that drop you used to justify your attack on a Constitutionally mandated responsibility of the federal government. Meanwhile, you totally ignore the unmandated elephant in the room: aggregate entitlement spending. Try scaling THAT back first. Then we can see about defense.
    How is wanting to get the budget in the military in control, something several Libertarians want as well make me a constitutional threat? I have said in several threads before I believe the entitlement spending is out of control as well. It needs to be toned down to spending levels similar to that of what they were back in 1996. A good place to start would be to merge SNAP and WIC into one program, whereas you are restricted to what you must have, and for people of a certain age and health to meet certain milestones to have continued entitlements. Eitherway you try to slice it, our military and intelligence community is ridiculious. Our intelligence community alone is so ineffective and bureaucratic the "scary Obamacare" pales in comparison to the wildest lies you have been fed by your mouthpiece masters.
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    Re: Doyou think Obamacare should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Since you obviously know noting about the budget sequestration agreement forced by the GOP when they blocked the debt ceiling increase, here is some background for you so you can make more intelligent points:

    "Last summer, Congress passed the Budget Control Act (BCA), raising the federal debt ceiling and pledging to cut budget deficits by at least $2.1 trillion from 2012 to 2021. Of that, cuts of $900 billion were included in the BCA — with half from defense. Congress then created a “supercommittee” of 12 of its members to achieve the remaining $1.2 trillion of deficit reduction through more spending cuts or tax increases.

    Sequestration aimed to promote agreement by creating an alternative that seemed worse: automatic cuts in defense and non-defense spending. The theory was that the fear of sequester would so upset Republicans (against deep defense cuts) and Democrats (against domestic cuts) that they would negotiate a more acceptable package. By the same logic, Congress would then approve the supercommittee’s plan.

    Wrong. The supercommittee didn’t agree, and Congress didn’t vote. With hindsight, this is unsurprising, because the sequester is not neutral. Though defense spending represents 19 percent of the budget in 2012, it would absorb half the cuts. Moreover, many entitlements (Social Security, Medicaid) were excluded from cuts. As supporters of domestic spending, Democrats had less reason to fear sequester. Similarly, the sequestration imposed no automatic tax increases; this appealed to Republicans. And because sequestration itself wouldn’t start until 2013, failing to agree in late 2011 had little political fallout.

    So: The sequestration now scheduled for next January means about another $500 billion in military cuts over the decade. These are in addition to the $487 billion in defense reductions already in the BCA and billions of earlier cuts ordered by former defense secretary Robert Gates, who ended some major programs including the F-22 stealth fighter. Nor do these cuts count the automatic reductions occurring from withdrawals from Iraq and Afghanistan. Even without sequester, defense spending is estimated to fall to 13 percent of the budget in 2017."

    Budget sequestration would be a dagger to defense - The Washington Post
    Give me a break.....The Obama Budget was defeated 99-0.........The GOP has a budget but it has been tabled by Reid............He knows if he puts it to a vote it will pass even with dems voting for it...
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    Re: Doyou think Obamacare should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    I want to see the people that defend us home defending it, not policing other countries that don't need it, trying to rebuild countries that are hopeless to rebuild, and fighting wars for other countries because they don't have a military budget. Our military does far less with much much more than they did in WWII, Korean, or Vietnam War and I'm fine with that but they don't need to continuously do it just to do it.
    Obama is doing that....the sad part is because he did not finish the job we will be back in 10 years and lose many more lives.........
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    Re: Doyou think Obamacare should be repealed?

    Just to touch up on the military, spending on it pre-9.11 was about 3.6 trillion, come 2003 when we were balls deep in both wars it was 4.33 trillion. It peaked for the past couple of years (was far higher in the 40s and 50s) at 5.82 trillion in 2011. So I want all you conservatives on here to thank Obama for doing what you wanted first. Second, by 2015 the budget is supposed to be 4.26 trillion only a little less than it was when we were in 2 wars balls deep. This is not enough. Another 500 million needs cut out.

    As for the healthcare act, honestly if you really read into it more Obama pussed out quite a bit. If it was what was originally intended you conservatives would have probably had kits by now. I think most Americans would be much happier had it been what it was originally intended, instead it is complicated and easily picked apart as to be called worse than it is better.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: Doyou think Obamacare should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Obama is doing that....the sad part is because he did not finish the job we will be back in 10 years and lose many more lives.........
    Expand upon what you refer to as "finishing the job". In all honesty there is two ways I would it: I would glass that entire region, crack the glass and suck the money juice up but that's not how it works OR I would wait for the people of these countries to look at how their neighbors such as Egypt and Libya are forming better countries and use them as a template of what a Muslim country is in the 21st century, something that could very well happen and should happen in the future.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: Doyou think Obamacare should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Give me a break.....The Obama Budget was defeated 99-0.........The GOP has a budget but it has been tabled by Reid............He knows if he puts it to a vote it will pass even with dems voting for it...
    The whole budge sequestration explanation I provided just went over your head, didn't it? Is that why you are trying to change the subject now?
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    Re: Doyou think Obamacare should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    How is wanting to get the budget in the military in control, something several Libertarians want as well make me a constitutional threat? I have said in several threads before I believe the entitlement spending is out of control as well. It needs to be toned down to spending levels similar to that of what they were back in 1996. A good place to start would be to merge SNAP and WIC into one program, whereas you are restricted to what you must have, and for people of a certain age and health to meet certain milestones to have continued entitlements. Eitherway you try to slice it, our military and intelligence community is ridiculious. Our intelligence community alone is so ineffective and bureaucratic the "scary Obamacare" pales in comparison to the wildest lies you have been fed by your mouthpiece masters.
    Dude...do you have a persecution complex? I don't think I ever said you were a "constitutional threat", did I?

    So...you've admitted that entitlement programs need to be dealt with. Good. Personally, I don't think you go far enough, though. SNAP and WIC are minor compared to the amount of money spent in other entitlement programs. I guess you really don't want to deal with the enormous government spending...unless we can take it away from the military, that is.

    And, of course, you consider the trillion or more that Obamacare costs to "pale in comparison".
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    Re: Doyou think Obamacare should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Dude...do you have a persecution complex? I don't think I ever said you were a "constitutional threat", did I?

    So...you've admitted that entitlement programs need to be dealt with. Good. Personally, I don't think you go far enough, though. SNAP and WIC are minor compared to the amount of money spent in other entitlement programs. I guess you really don't want to deal with the enormous government spending...unless we can take it away from the military, that is.
    "Admitted" why is it that I either have to be a huge asshole for one thing, or a huge asshole for another? Why can't I just be a normal guy with a level head and some common sense? There is a lot more other than WIC and SNAP those are just the easiest examples to explain. These are all incredibly complicated programs that also use state funds as well, whereas the military simply uses federal funding. I think the department of labor, agriculture could all stand to use some cuts, whereas all parts of the government could be made more efficient.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: Doyou think Obamacare should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    "Admitted" why is it that I either have to be a huge asshole for one thing, or a huge asshole for another? Why can't I just be a normal guy with a level head and some common sense? There is a lot more other than WIC and SNAP those are just the easiest examples to explain. These are all incredibly complicated programs that also use state funds as well, whereas the military simply uses federal funding. I think the department of labor, agriculture could all stand to use some cuts, whereas all parts of the government could be made more efficient.
    And yet...you keep harping on the military. Heck, military spending isn't even on-topic.
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    Re: Doyou think Obamacare should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    And yet...you keep harping on the military. Heck, military spending isn't even on-topic.
    Sadly I believe there are people in this country hate our military...
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