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    Re: Doyou think Obamacare should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Seriously?....pretty much everyone in this thread is calling you out for inaccuracy, ignorance, lies, and pure bull****....and your reply is to debase someone for misspelling a name?

    Dayum....pure fail, on an epic scale.
    Only lefties like you are doing that..............It actually makes my day.........
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    Re: Doyou think Obamacare should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I already posted a link to it........
    You posted a link that showed Panetta supported Obama's recommendation on trimming military spending by $487 billion over ten years, but opposed the additional $500 billion in required cuts under the sequestration agreement forced by the GOP during their opposition to raising the debt ceiling.

    Its very ironic that you are now complaining about cuts under the agreement forced by the GOP, without even being aware, apparently, that your own party brought it about.

    Nice!
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    Re: Doyou think Obamacare should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Uhh i cant find a source on that. I can find the original 487 billion he agrees with but i cant find the additional 500 billion. Can you find that for me NAvy or did you just make up that?
    NP's source is probably Limbaugh...an "anti-American" , IMO.
    After we bring back all of our military from our absolutely foolish foreign adventures (will we ever learn) , the budget can be cut..and, it will be cut.
    As to the $20000 caskets which may have cost $900...I do not believe this....too absurd....but, little doubt in my mind, anti-Americans are becoming rich in these adventures....

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    Re: Doyou think Obamacare should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You posted a link that showed Panetta supported Obama's recommendation on trimming military spending by $487 billion over ten years, but opposed the additional $500 billion in required cuts under the sequestration agreement forced by the GOP during their opposition to raising the debt ceiling.

    Its very ironic that you are now complaining about cuts under the agreement forced by the GOP, without even being aware, apparently, that your own party brought it about.

    Nice!
    The GOP can force nothing in the senate.............they don't have the votes to do it and even if they did Reid would not let it come to the floor for a vote.............Obama got 487 billion....he wants almost a trillion.......
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    Re: Doyou think Obamacare should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    NP's source is probably Limbaugh...an "anti-American" , IMO.
    After we bring back all of our military from our absolutely foolish foreign adventures (will we ever learn) , the budget can be cut..and, it will be cut.
    As to the $20000 caskets which may have cost $900...I do not believe this....too absurd....but, little doubt in my mind, anti-Americans are becoming rich in these adventures....
    Wrong my left wing friend............It was "The Hill" a middle to left think tank......try again........
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    Re: Doyou think Obamacare should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    The GOP can force nothing in the senate.............they don't have the votes to do it and even if they did Reid would not let it come to the floor for a vote.............Obama got 487 billion....he wants almost a trillion.......
    Since you obviously know noting about the budget sequestration agreement forced by the GOP when they blocked the debt ceiling increase, here is some background for you so you can make more intelligent points:

    "Last summer, Congress passed the Budget Control Act (BCA), raising the federal debt ceiling and pledging to cut budget deficits by at least $2.1 trillion from 2012 to 2021. Of that, cuts of $900 billion were included in the BCA — with half from defense. Congress then created a “supercommittee” of 12 of its members to achieve the remaining $1.2 trillion of deficit reduction through more spending cuts or tax increases.

    Sequestration aimed to promote agreement by creating an alternative that seemed worse: automatic cuts in defense and non-defense spending. The theory was that the fear of sequester would so upset Republicans (against deep defense cuts) and Democrats (against domestic cuts) that they would negotiate a more acceptable package. By the same logic, Congress would then approve the supercommittee’s plan.

    Wrong. The supercommittee didn’t agree, and Congress didn’t vote. With hindsight, this is unsurprising, because the sequester is not neutral. Though defense spending represents 19 percent of the budget in 2012, it would absorb half the cuts. Moreover, many entitlements (Social Security, Medicaid) were excluded from cuts. As supporters of domestic spending, Democrats had less reason to fear sequester. Similarly, the sequestration imposed no automatic tax increases; this appealed to Republicans. And because sequestration itself wouldn’t start until 2013, failing to agree in late 2011 had little political fallout.

    So: The sequestration now scheduled for next January means about another $500 billion in military cuts over the decade. These are in addition to the $487 billion in defense reductions already in the BCA and billions of earlier cuts ordered by former defense secretary Robert Gates, who ended some major programs including the F-22 stealth fighter. Nor do these cuts count the automatic reductions occurring from withdrawals from Iraq and Afghanistan. Even without sequester, defense spending is estimated to fall to 13 percent of the budget in 2017."

    Budget sequestration would be a dagger to defense - The Washington Post
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    Re: Doyou think Obamacare should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    Yeah, but this is America you're talking about. Being a dick is practically encoded into our DNA.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    1. Sure, some of the costs are being laid upon the insurance companies and medical care providers...but who ends up paying those costs? Answer, the public. It's no different than raising taxes.

    2. Medical costs are not designed to go down as a result of Obamacare...no matter what flavor of koolaid Obama, Pelosi and Reid are selling.

    3. Those examples are a drop in the bucket of waste, fraud and abuse the government continues to pour our taxpayer money into.

    4. No, a better place to start would be reducing or eliminating USELESS agencies and departments. The Defense Department is necessary.
    1. Once again the cost is spread across many different faucets.

    2. They are designed in theory to go down in terms of medical insurance and insurance companies charging more to people with pre-existing conditions. I think this is a point that neither of us could really debate one way or the other until the entire plan is rolled out.

    3+4: I think we both are saying the same thing here. I think that many of our agencies could be rolled into eachother and accomplish the same task, or many of them could take cuts where they are not needed to be so bloated. A better method of achieving this is take these "drop in a bucket" issues and start cutting at them. If you were to cut at hundreds of small things it would add into one very big one.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: Doyou think Obamacare should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the dem interpretation of the constitution is designed to kill it
    Cool story bro.


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    Re: Doyou think Obamacare should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I already posted a link to it........
    Just shifted through all these pages of this bull**** and the only link i found you posted on this issue was this Panetta to Congress: Don

    In the article it does not even mention President Obama. The only President it mentions is Clinton. So you done with your BS and ready to fess up your making **** up again Navy?


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    Re: Doyou think Obamacare should be repealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    Yeah, but this is America you're talking about. Being a dick is practically encoded into our DNA.
    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Believe it or not my left wing friend the military defend this country against attack.........They actually protect people like you who want to tie their hands behind their backs......
    I want to see the people that defend us home defending it, not policing other countries that don't need it, trying to rebuild countries that are hopeless to rebuild, and fighting wars for other countries because they don't have a military budget. Our military does far less with much much more than they did in WWII, Korean, or Vietnam War and I'm fine with that but they don't need to continuously do it just to do it.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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