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Is there such a thing as anti-white racism?

Is there such a thing as anti-white racism?


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Just seems to me, that you're trying to lessen the impact of racism by minority groups, by saying "well whites did it more and for longer."
That in and of itself, is not a justification.

No. Mostly I wanted to know what difinition we were using befor answering. Second, I don't want any excuse for people to suggest the experience has been equal here. That is not justiifcation for anything. We can recognize te difference without granting justification for any wrong doing.
 
I cannot even fathom what was going through the heads of those 3 people who said no.

Race is a false social construct of western imperialist societies over the last 500 years...

Hence I said no.

Sure there is racism against 'whites'... from a legal framework...

But not if you want to get technical about what 'race' is...
 
No. Mostly I wanted to know what difinition we were using befor answering. Second, I don't want any excuse for people to suggest the experience has been equal here. That is not justiifcation for anything. We can recognize te difference without granting justification for any wrong doing.

The definition is pretty simple.
Racism is the belief that one race is superior to another.

There may be contexts where some racism has been worse than another, but that doesn't justify retaliatory racist acts.
 
Race is a false social construct of western imperialist societies over the last 500 years...

Hence I said no.

Sure there is racism against 'whites'... from a legal framework...

But not if you want to get technical about what 'race' is...

That is false.
Race is biologically real.

It's just that it doesn't matter in terms of valuing people.
 
The definition is pretty simple.
Racism is the belief that one race is superior to another.

There may be contexts where some racism has been worse than another, but that doesn't justify retaliatory racist acts.

And do minorities profess genetic superiority?

...?

(no, because 'race' is a construct of western European society)

...circles... round and round we go.
 
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The definition is pretty simple.
Racism is the belief that one race is superior to another.

There may be contexts where some racism has been worse than another, but that doesn't justify retaliatory racist acts.

That's one of many definitions. I gave a link, and Jamesrage gave one with three.

And I repeat, I have not called for excused any retaliatoy act or wrong doing.
 
And do minorities profess genetic superiority?

...?
That's really the thing that a lot of minorities who are hostile towards whites or who make fun of them (at least in the US) lack: the idea that their "race" is inherently superior to the "white race." A lot of people assume that racism just means, "he called me a cracker!" That's not how it works. Never did, never will.
 
And do minorities profess genetic superiority?

...?

(no, because 'race' is a construct of western European society)

...circles... round and round we go.

If race is a social construct, explain the genetic differences between sub Saharan Africans and aboriginal Australians.

Your argument is feel good, pc garbage.
 
That is false.
Race is biologically real.

It's just that it doesn't matter in terms of valuing people.
That depends on how you define race.

''There's no genetic basis for any kind of rigid ethnic or racial classification at all,'' said Bryan Sykes, the Oxford geneticist and author of ''The Seven Daughters of Eve.'' ''I'm always asked is there Greek DNA or an Italian gene, but, of course, there isn't. . . . We're very closely related.''

Likewise, The New England Journal of Medicine once editorialized bluntly that ''race is biologically meaningless.''
Is Race Real? - Op-Ed - NYTimes.com
 
If race is a social construct, explain the genetic differences between sub Saharan Africans and aboriginal Australians.

Your argument is feel good, pc garbage.

PC? My view is it sounds like something liberally lifted out of a Sociology 101 course notes...
 
If race is a social construct, explain the genetic differences between sub Saharan Africans and aboriginal Australians.

Your argument is feel good, pc garbage.
Actually, it's an argument that's been reinforced by much of the "geneticist community." I'd hardly consider them proponents of feel good PC garbage. There are certainly differences in genetics that can be traced to location, but distinct racial categories as we talk about them are not biologically real. Sorry.
 
That depends on how you define race.


Is Race Real? - Op-Ed - NYTimes.com

Race is really based on local population.
Black, white, etc, defined by American census standards, is a poor measurement of race.

Race is not biologically meaningless.
It can help identify disease prevalence and other things inherent in some races.
 
Actually, it's an argument that's been reinforced by much of the "geneticist community." I'd hardly consider them proponents of feel good PC garbage. There are certainly differences in genetics that can be traced to location, but distinct racial categories as we talk about them are not biologically real. Sorry.

Using the generic white, black, asian.
They are right.

Using the more specific localization, they're wrong.
 
Race is really based on local population.
Black, white, etc, defined by American census standards, is a poor measurement of race.
Which is exactly why "race is a social construct" is an entirely accurate statement and not "feel good, PC garbage." There are, in fact, genetic markers based on location that hold useful information. However, "race" as it is defined by most people is not a real, genetic thing.

Race is not biologically meaningless.
It can help identify disease prevalence and other things inherent in some races.
Within the context of this thread and likely within the context MK's post, it is biologically meaningless which is why I said, "it depends on how you define it."
 
Using the generic white, black, asian.
They are right.

Using the more specific localization, they're wrong.
And in this entire thread, as I'm sure you know, we've been talking about the generic white, black, etc. which is how race is usually defined by most people. Perhaps you should clarified that you were transitioning into the latter definition before you called the accurate label of social construct "feel good, pc garbage."
 
Race is a false social construct of western imperialist societies over the last 500 years...

Hence I said no.

Sure there is racism against 'whites'... from a legal framework...

But not if you want to get technical about what 'race' is...
And do minorities profess genetic superiority?

...?

(no, because 'race' is a construct of western European society)

...circles... round and round we go.
Wow. Just... wow. :shock: There's just no where to go with that. How does one debate logically against points that are so completely illogical? At best, you are demonstrating a complete lack of knowledge of history, as differing peoples have been trying to oppress other peoples since the beginning of time... way before western society was even anything resembling a society of its own.

*facepalm*
 
Which is exactly why "race is a social construct" is an entirely accurate statement and not "feel good, PC garbage." There are, in fact, genetic markers based on location that hold useful information. However, "race" as it is defined by most people is not a real, genetic thing.

Blacks in the U.S. are generally descendants of sub Saharan Africans.
So that's not entirely meaningless.
It can help with disease detection, treatment and prevention.

Telling people that race isn't biological is stupid, in my opinion, because most people don't know the difference between the different definitions.
Then they take it as "racist" when you say that it does exist.

That's why I say it's pc garbage.

Within the context of this thread and likely within the context MK's post, it is biologically meaningless which is why I said, "it depends on how you define it."

MK was trying to get me to say something inflammatory about minorities being inferior.
Likely because he doesn't know the difference in what I'm talking about.

It was a bait.
 
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And in this entire thread, as I'm sure you know, we've been talking about the generic white, black, etc. which is how race is usually defined by most people. Perhaps you should clarified that you were transitioning into the latter definition before you called the accurate label of social construct "feel good, pc garbage."

It is pc, feel good garbage, because most people don't know the difference.
 
Blacks in the U.S. are generally descendants of sub Saharan Africans.
So that's not entirely meaningless.

It can help with disease detection, treatment and prevention.
Which again, is why I said, it depends on the definition and in fact, said, "There are, in fact, genetic markers based on location that hold useful information." However, again, race as it is defined by most people as distinct genetic markers, is not real and biologically meaningless.

Telling people that race isn't biological is stupid, in my opinion, because most people don't know the difference between the different definitions.
Then they take it as "racist" when you say that it does exist.

That's why I say it's pc garbage.
Telling people the truth is not stupid. If people don't know the difference, then they need to be educated not fed some myth that allows them to hold onto their socially constructed categories as if they are real. That kind of nonsense is stupid and garbage.

MK was trying to get me to say something inflammatory about minorities being inferior.
Likely because he doesn't know the difference in what I'm talking about.

It was a bait.
MK's goal is irrelevant to whether or not your responses were accurate. They weren't.
 
It is pc, feel good garbage, because most people don't know the difference.
So your argument is that the truth depends on whether or not "most people know the difference." Calling race a social construct is either garbage or it's not. Guess what? It's not garbage. It's a fact of existence. The definition of "race" that most people work with and that was being used in this thread is a social construct. Period.
 
It is pc, feel good garbage, because most people don't know the difference.

So, we should accept something because people are too dumb to make the distinction? Is this really what you're arguing? Dumb down knowledge, play to lowest common denominator?
 
So, we should accept something because people are too dumb to make the distinction? Is this really what you're arguing? Dumb down knowledge, play to lowest common denominator?
Exactly. The idea that because people "don't know the difference" is a reason to perpetuate the myth that they buy into is preposterous and sad.
 
It is pc, feel good garbage, because most people don't know the difference.

Oh ok...so let's threaten people's lives by catering to their ignorance, then...that's a fabulous idea.

You DO get that this is not some benign case of simple ignorance of technical information, right? For example, racist medical research, in which prescription drugs are marketed on a racist basis despite absolutely no evidence to support the claim that a medication is especially beneficial to people imagined to be of a certain "race" -- leading to false expectations of efficacy for some and lack of FDA approval for general use for others -- that's just no big deal.

Clearly, we shouldn't point out the fundamental errors and ignorance of science in such issues...because after all, people don't know the difference.
 
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PC? My view is it sounds like something liberally lifted out of a Sociology 101 course notes...

So they teach that in sociology 101... thanks for confirming my own point.

my you just might have to fall over and die.

Awaiting your ockham dodge attack...
 
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