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    Re: Is there such a thing as anti-white racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Neither my father nor my mother inherited any such 'privileges', except your imagined privilege of being born poor and white. My father was born in 1922 and lived poor near Omaha, NE until he dropped out of school and joined the U.S. army, later fought in WWII, Korea and Vietnam, my mother was born in 1919 and lived poor in San Antonio, TX, until the death of her father (she was then age 9), then shipped off to live with an aunt in FL, eventually worked as filing/typing clerk in DC war office during WWII. My parents met in 1950, near DC, married and had three children, we then moved around the world and country a bit, as service families do. My parents inherited no money or property at all, as I am unlikey too either. What little they have, they have earned, have harmed no one in the process, have served their country well and owe no such debt as a result, nor do I. If you feel guilty, then perhaps you are. I feel no guilt or debt for any past sins, real or imagined, of others before me in my family.
    Outstanding post. Thank you. What it boils down to is people attempting to use historical context to not take anti-white racism seriously. The racism in Hawaii I was speaking of was white students being harassed and assaulted because of their race. It even involved some of their lives being put in danger. Of course that's serious. I've seen the situation poo-pooed and justified because of the injustices Native Hawaiians had to endure. Like you I did not have any wealth or privilege. I was lower middle class. I was simply the member of a Navy family. When my dad was transferred there, I had no choice but to go. As a result, I endured tremendous hate and assaults and accusations of "You stole our land." Logic was useless. If I explained that since I don't own any land in Hawaii and I never have, it's logically impossible for me to have stolen anyone's land, it just further inflamed the situation. In a nutshell, people blamed innocent people for historical events that they have no control over. That's injustice, and no amount of looking to history can justify it. It's a case of "Two wrongs don't make a right." It's a case where the Native Hawaiians were ruthlessly exploited by a wealthy white bourgeois class and then some of their descendants attack anyone with white skin, people who had nothing to do with the original injustice.

    Who I really respect is Rodney King. Her was personally attacked by racists, and those racists were let off the hook. It wasn't just his ancestors who were brutalized. However, when the LA riots happened, he responded with the eloquent, "Can't we all just get along?" That was so simple, yet so moving and so true. He was saying he didn't want anyone else of any color to get hurt. He knew the beating of Reginald Denny was not justified payback for what happened to him. It was simply an additional injustice. Yes, the '92 LA riots didn't happen in a vacuum. You'd better believe there was a long and ugly history that lead to them. However, in spite of all that, King had the wisdom to understand that additional injustice was not the answer. Anti-white racism is not the antidote to anti-black racism. The antidote is for everyone to make an honest effort to get along and to set things up so that everyone has a chance at a good life. You give everyone a chance to prosper and you don't accept excuses for any kind of racism.

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    Re: Is there such a thing as anti-white racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I met a Hispanic guy online whose views I found troubling. He blamed the Jews for a lot of things such as corporate irresponsibility. He blamed the bank bailouts on the Jews. My best friend from high school was Jewish, and I'm pretty sure she wasn't scheming in the back of a synagogue on how to control all the banks so that she could rip everyone off.The man had the attitude that North America belongs to Mexicans, Native Americans, and no one else. He seemed to equate Mexico as a Native American tribe that had been abused by the white man (Americans). Do I have my history wrong? I thought Mexico was a North American country with European roots (in Spain) just like the United States has roots in England and Canada has roots in England and France. By far the most troubling thing he said was that all blacks should go back to Africa and all whites should go back to Europe. To me that sounds like a racist statement against both black people and white people. Do you agree?

    Btw, I'm white, but I didn't come here from Europe. I was born here. Almost everyone I know who's black was also born here. And I think his history is wrong. Mexico is not a Native American tribe.
    It is deeply disturbing to behold the minority who seems to believe that he is immune from accusations of racism, merely because of his minority status.
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    Re: Is there such a thing as anti-white racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    Outstanding post. Thank you. What it boils down to is people attempting to use historical context to not take anti-white racism seriously.
    That hasn't happened HERE, so what are you talking about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    The racism in Hawaii I was speaking of was white students being harassed and assaulted because of their race. It even involved some of their lives being put in danger. Of course that's serious. I've seen the situation poo-pooed and justified because of the injustices Native Hawaiians had to endure. Like you I did not have any wealth or privilege.
    Wrong. Being poor doesn't negate white privilege. Being rich doesn't negate being targeted by racist oppression.

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I was lower middle class.
    OK...now imagine being lower middle class...and nonwhite.

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I was simply the member of a Navy family. When my dad was transferred there, I had no choice but to go. As a result, I endured tremendous hate and assaults and accusations of "You stole our land." Logic was useless. If I explained that since I don't own any land in Hawaii and I never have, it's logically impossible for me to have stolen anyone's land, it just further inflamed the situation. In a nutshell, people blamed innocent people for historical events that they have no control over. That's injustice, and no amount of looking to history can justify it.
    Congratulations. The only catch is that no one here is attempting to justify it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    It's a case of "Two wrongs don't make a right." It's a case where the Native Hawaiians were ruthlessly exploited by a wealthy white bourgeois class and then some of their descendants attack anyone with white skin, people who had nothing to do with the original injustice.
    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    Who I really respect is Rodney King. He was personally attacked by racists, and those racists were let off the hook. It wasn't just his ancestors who were brutalized. However, when the LA riots happened, he responded with the eloquent, "Can't we all just get along?" That was so simple, yet so moving and so true. He was saying he didn't want anyone else of any color to get hurt. He knew the beating of Reginald Denny was not justified payback for what happened to him. It was simply an additional injustice. Yes, the '92 LA riots didn't happen in a vacuum. You'd better believe there was a long and ugly history that lead to them. However, in spite of all that, King had the wisdom to understand that additional injustice was not the answer. Anti-white racism is not the antidote to anti-black racism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    The antidote is for everyone to make an honest effort to get along and to set things up so that everyone has a chance at a good life. You give everyone a chance to prosper and you don't accept excuses for any kind of racism.
    None have been offered here.
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    Re: Is there such a thing as anti-white racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    Outstanding post. Thank you. What it boils down to is people attempting to use historical context to not take anti-white racism seriously. The racism in Hawaii I was speaking of was white students being harassed and assaulted because of their race. It even involved some of their lives being put in danger. Of course that's serious. I've seen the situation poo-pooed and justified because of the injustices Native Hawaiians had to endure. Like you I did not have any wealth or privilege. I was lower middle class. I was simply the member of a Navy family. When my dad was transferred there, I had no choice but to go. As a result, I endured tremendous hate and assaults and accusations of "You stole our land." Logic was useless. If I explained that since I don't own any land in Hawaii and I never have, it's logically impossible for me to have stolen anyone's land, it just further inflamed the situation. In a nutshell, people blamed innocent people for historical events that they have no control over. That's injustice, and no amount of looking to history can justify it. It's a case of "Two wrongs don't make a right." It's a case where the Native Hawaiians were ruthlessly exploited by a wealthy white bourgeois class and then some of their descendants attack anyone with white skin, people who had nothing to do with the original injustice.

    Who I really respect is Rodney King. Her was personally attacked by racists, and those racists were let off the hook. It wasn't just his ancestors who were brutalized. However, when the LA riots happened, he responded with the eloquent, "Can't we all just get along?" That was so simple, yet so moving and so true. He was saying he didn't want anyone else of any color to get hurt. He knew the beating of Reginald Denny was not justified payback for what happened to him. It was simply an additional injustice. Yes, the '92 LA riots didn't happen in a vacuum. You'd better believe there was a long and ugly history that lead to them. However, in spite of all that, King had the wisdom to understand that additional injustice was not the answer. Anti-white racism is not the antidote to anti-black racism. The antidote is for everyone to make an honest effort to get along and to set things up so that everyone has a chance at a good life. You give everyone a chance to prosper and you don't accept excuses for any kind of racism.
    Thank you for your response. I worked for the U.S. Navy as a communications computer programmer/analyst for over 22 years, have been to Oahu several times and lived in Guam for 3 years as the western Pacific site technical representative. The situation that you describe existed when I was there as well. It is sad that rather than see others as simply innocent visitors, too many simply consider all that are not "of them" to be "against them". The Guamanian locals, the Chamoros, were not so, at least towards the U.S., perhaps because they were occupied by Japan in WWII and really appreciate their liberation, but did express some dislike for some other asian ethnic groups. It was strange to feel more "at home" in a territory than in a state. ;-)
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    Re: Is there such a thing as anti-white racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    It is deeply disturbing to behold the minority who seems to believe that he is immune from accusations of racism, merely because of his minority status.
    That attitude is not uncommon. Some assert that to be racist you must be of the race in power, but that is hair splitting, IMHO. The difference between a racist and an ethnic/religious bigot is not worth making any distinction. If you have prejudice, it simply does not matter what 'justifies' it. I still see many whites that will use a racial slur based on dress or 'style', yet the same person in a suit or uniform would be OK with them, strange but true.
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    Re: Is there such a thing as anti-white racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Thank you for your response. I worked for the U.S. Navy as a communications computer programmer/analyst for over 22 years, have been to Oahu several times and lived in Guam for 3 years as the western Pacific site technical representative. The situation that you describe existed when I was there as well. It is sad that rather than see others as simply innocent visitors, too many simply consider all that are not "of them" to be "against them". The Guamanian locals, the Chamoros, were not so, at least towards the U.S., perhaps because they were occupied by Japan in WWII and really appreciate their liberation, but did express some dislike for some other asian ethnic groups. It was strange to feel more "at home" in a territory than in a state. ;-)
    I visited Guam and loved it there. People were really friendly and didn't care that I'm white and have auburn hair. Some of the racist attacks in Hawaii, believe it or not, included hostility toward my hair color. I agree with you. I felt better respected in Guam than in Hawaii.

    You did a great job rebutting the nonsense of "white privilege" in Hawaii.

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    Re: Is there such a thing as anti-white racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That attitude is not uncommon. Some assert that to be racist you must be of the race in power, but that is hair splitting, IMHO. The difference between a racist and an ethnic/religious bigot is not worth making any distinction. If you have prejudice, it simply does not matter what 'justifies' it. I still see many whites that will use a racial slur based on dress or 'style', yet the same person in a suit or uniform would be OK with them, strange but true.
    Unfortunately, the "racism is necessarily a function of power" ethos has been imbedded into the psyches of every member of every minority group, real or imagined, thanks to a largely unchallenged stream of popular and global indoctrination over the last 40 years.

    Now, we have large swaths of people, all around the world, who think of themselves as a necessarily victimized "minority," in one sense or the other, while maintaining a very feeble internal psychic mechanism for checking their own racist impulses; which are, in actual etiology, much more primally driven instincts than products of personal experience at the hands of some racially oppressive and largely abstract monolith of power.

    This is bad.
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    Re: Is there such a thing as anti-white racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    Unfortunately, the "racism is necessarily a function of power" ethos has been imbedded into the psyches of every member of every minority group, real or imagined, thanks to a largely unchallenged stream of popular and global indoctrination over the last 40 years.
    One need not be in power to harbor or act upon racist ideology. One does have to have political power, however, to participate in racist oppression.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    Now, we have large swaths of people, all around the world, who think of themselves as a necessarily victimized "minority," in one sense or the other, while maintaining a very feeble internal psychic mechanism for checking their own racist impulses; which are, in actual etiology, much more primally driven instincts than products of personal experience at the hands of some racially oppressive and largely abstract monolith of power.

    This is bad.
    Racism is indeed bad, but it's neither universal nor impulsive. It is widely taught. Institutionalized practices, on the other hand, do not require ideological commitment for their impact.

    And yet here we are, already poised on the edge of where I expected the thread to go: it was framed as a nonsensical opinion poll about a factual matter, and within a short time it has already turned to a growing case of denial of obvious privilege, promotion of implied false equivalency, serial intellectual dishonesty (in preemptively "responding" to claims never made, and projection of stances and views not actually held by posters participating in the thread).

    I've seen this movie a thousand times.
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    Re: Is there such a thing as anti-white racism?

    3 people said no...it appears there are three members on this forum who are racist against white people.
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    Re: Is there such a thing as anti-white racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    3 people said no...it appears there are three members on this forum who are racist against white people.
    Nah. It's a very close question really. Technically, does it exist in the small r sense of "racism" to mean hostility towards somebody on the basis of the color of their skin, yes. Absolutely it does.

    But, does it exist in the big, sociological, societal, sense of white people being oppressed because of the color of their skin? Of course not. Very much the opposite. Does it exist in a meaningful way where we should be seriously concerned about it? Or is it just a distraction from the real problem of racism against blacks and Hispanics? Obviously it's just a distraction.

    Personally I haven't voted because IMO the question is ambiguous. You could interpret it either way, so either answer could be correct.
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