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    Re: Is there such a thing as anti-white racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by cmakaioz View Post
    Racism is the sum total of expressions and actions which treat "race" as if it were biologically real -- without regard to personal belief of what may actually be true (you don't have to personally believe in "race" mythology's premises in order to ACT as ........

    The framing of this thread is an example of exactly this kind of diversionary tactic. Time and energy spent acknowledging/denying the fact that there's such a thing as anti-white racism once again allows white comfort to remain at the center of attempted discussion of racism...while avoiding confrontation with white privilege and (especially) with white supremacy (in the concrete not just ideological sense). In a classic case of reversal and projection, it allows "white" people to play the role and occupy the narrative position of a target when in real life they are overwhelmingly privileged on the axis of "race."

    So again, this leads us to question the motivation for introducing an opinion poll for what is NOT a matter of opinion.
    You've WAY overthought this. There is no hidden agenda. I've met people who claimed that racism is a white phenomenon who then define racism narrowly to only include institutional racism. Then I've met people (like the example in the original post) who are clearly racist against whites. That's the only reason for the poll.

    Racism goes both ways. That's not an excuse for any of the racist whites, their segregation, their slavery, etc. All that stuff still sucks.

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    Re: Is there such a thing as anti-white racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I met a Hispanic guy online whose views I found troubling. He blamed the Jews for a lot of things such as corporate irresponsibility. He blamed the bank bailouts on the Jews. My best friend from high school was Jewish, and I'm pretty sure she wasn't scheming in the back of a synagogue on how to control all the banks so that she could rip everyone off.The man had the attitude that North America belongs to Mexicans, Native Americans, and no one else. He seemed to equate Mexico as a Native American tribe that had been abused by the white man (Americans). Do I have my history wrong? I thought Mexico was a North American country with European roots (in Spain) just like the United States has roots in England and Canada has roots in England and France. By far the most troubling thing he said was that all blacks should go back to Africa and all whites should go back to Europe. To me that sounds like a racist statement against both black people and white people. Do you agree?

    Btw, I'm white, but I didn't come here from Europe. I was born here. Almost everyone I know who's black was also born here. And I think his history is wrong. Mexico is not a Native American tribe.
    Oh you better belive there's non- white racism as you put it. Some of the Arabs are the worst ones of the bunch. Black racism has been around since the sixties: trust me on that, I've had direct experience with it as an adolesent. Asian families, and Idnian ones, will not let their children marry outside the race either. So this business about only "white people" being racists in this country is BS.
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    Re: Is there such a thing as anti-white racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by cmakaioz View Post
    Racism is the sum total of expressions and actions which treat "race" as if it were biologically real -- without regard to personal belief of what may actually be true (you don't have to personally believe in "race" mythology's premises in order to ACT as if you do).
    While your ideology is interesting it is difficult for me to accept it, because in the past you've implied that Al Sharpton himself wasn't a racist. Al seems to make his living treating race as if it were real.

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    Re: Is there such a thing as anti-white racism?

    I cannot even fathom what was going through the heads of those 3 people who said no.


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    Re: Is there such a thing as anti-white racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    You've WAY overthought this. There is no hidden agenda. I've met people who claimed that racism is a white phenomenon who then define racism narrowly to only include institutional racism. Then I've met people (like the example in the original post) who are clearly racist against whites. That's the only reason for the poll.

    Racism goes both ways. That's not an excuse for any of the racist whites, their segregation, their slavery, etc. All that stuff still sucks.
    I think we all know that all humans are capbale of prejudice. And that given the chance, with institutional support, would allow systematic discrimination agianst a group. This happens world wide. But in this country, whirtes, especially white males, have not had to carry that burden. That too is a truth here.

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    Re: Is there such a thing as anti-white racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I cannot even fathom what was going through the heads of those 3 people who said no.
    Lol. It's MK, 99percenter, and Wiggen. I suppose to them there's no such thing as being racist towards white people. Really, just ask the New Black Panthers.

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    Re: Is there such a thing as anti-white racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by cmakaioz View Post
    Racism is the sum total of expressions and actions which treat "race" as if it were biologically real -- without regard to personal belief of what may actually be true (you don't have to personally believe in "race" mythology's premises in order to ACT as if you do).
    Race is biologically real.
    That's why there are inherent genetic diseases more prevalent in differing races.

    Quote Originally Posted by cmakaioz View Post
    Within that general racism, there is a subset of racism which involves ideologies in which adherents genuinely believe "race" to be biologically real (in other words, lay "race" categories like "black" and "white" and "Asian" etc. are believed by such people to indicate causative differences which both reflect and direct hidden biological mechanisms.

    Within that first subset, there is a further subset of people who rank these reified "races" into hierarchies of ability, moral worth, etc. This subset is the one which -- today -- is generally not controversial to identify as harboring racist views. This is also -- not by accident -- about the limit of most "white" people's conception of racism. Attempts to discuss the broader scope of racism (i.e. the first two levels mentioned, not just the third) all but instantly leads to defensiveness, incoherence, rationalizations, minimizations, outright denial, and diversionary tactics, such that -- with or without specific intent -- the attempted discussion usually ends up denying the realities of people of color and/or dragging discussion off-topic such that making "white" people comfortable with themselves becomes the de facto goal.

    The framing of this thread is an example of exactly this kind of diversionary tactic. Time and energy spent acknowledging/denying the fact that there's such a thing as anti-white racism once again allows white comfort to remain at the center of attempted discussion of racism...while avoiding confrontation with white privilege and (especially) with white supremacy (in the concrete not just ideological sense). In a classic case of reversal and projection, it allows "white" people to play the role and occupy the narrative position of a target when in real life they are overwhelmingly privileged on the axis of "race."

    So again, this leads us to question the motivation for introducing an opinion poll for what is NOT a matter of opinion.
    What you fail to realize, that in certain localities where one race is prevalent, the effect of non white privilege exists.
    If a neighborhood or other locality exists, where white people are not the majority, it can express the effects of institutional racism.
    So far, your position is just excuse making and incomplete.

    This is a kind of diversionary tactic.
    Which makes excuses for other types of racism, other than the more predominant whites being racist.
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    Re: Is there such a thing as anti-white racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I think we all know that all humans are capbale of prejudice. And that given the chance, with institutional support, would allow systematic discrimination agianst a group. This happens world wide. But in this country, whirtes, especially white males, have not had to carry that burden. That too is a truth here.
    Whites have traditionally been the most racist, mainly because they've been the largest group, in the U.S.
    That doesn't mean that other races, being racist is less bad.

    Racism, is bad regardless of who expresses it.
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    Re: Is there such a thing as anti-white racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Whites have traditionally been the most racist, mainly because they've been the largest group, in the U.S.
    That doesn't mean that other races, being racist is less bad.

    Racism, is bad regardless of who expresses it.
    I said nothing different. It is little more than fact of what has happened here, nohting more.

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    Re: Is there such a thing as anti-white racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I said nothing different. It is little more than fact of what has happened here, nohting more.
    Just seems to me, that you're trying to lessen the impact of racism by minority groups, by saying "well whites did it more and for longer."
    That in and of itself, is not a justification.
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