View Poll Results: Please chose the political directions you prefer

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  • Drug Prohibition: Legalize, tax and use harm reduction approach

    8 50.00%
  • Drug Prohibition: Legalize and tax only certain drugs

    7 43.75%
  • Drug Prohibition: Become more aggressive in the war on drugs

    1 6.25%
  • Abortion: Women’s choice, w/ women’s responsibility

    7 43.75%
  • Abortion: Women’s choice w/ men and women’s responsibility

    6 37.50%
  • Abortion: Pro-Life, except in severe situations

    3 18.75%
  • Abortion: Pro-Life, no exceptions

    0 0%
  • Social Supports: Make transitioning to independent living graduall

    9 56.25%
  • Social Supports: Keep current cut-offs

    4 25.00%
  • Social Supports: Donations only

    1 6.25%
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Thread: Public Polocies Part 1

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    Public Polocies Part 1

    I have compiled some of the major political issues and asked related questions for voting purposes. If you aren't sure what I mean, please comment. Enjoy!

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    Re: Public Polocies Part 1

    Drugs: I think we should legalize and tax a lot of drugs. Not all of them though. I think legalizing some drugs will cause more problems than it will solve, and they should stay illegal. Essentially anything that isn't addictive is probably fine to legalize, and things like Marijuana, Psilocybin, Peyote, LSD, etc. should be legal. Things like Heroin or Methamphetamine which cause severe physical dependence should remain illegal.

    Abortion: Elective abortion legal to 20 weeks gestation. Abortion legal after that only if the mother's health/life is seriously threatened or if the fetus isn't viable. Men should have 4 weeks from the time that they find out they got someone pregnant in which they can legally give up all rights and responsibilities to the child without requiring consent from the mother.

    Social support: Social security needs serious help. Retirement age needs to be increased considerably and the cap on contributions needs to be repealed. Welfare and Unemployment should be more about helping to make people independent again than simply handing them money.
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    Re: Public Polocies Part 1

    Drugs: Prohibition causes more crime then it prevents. Legalize all drugs and use harm reduction. Treat drug addiction as a medical issue rather than a criminal one.

    Abortion: Keep the government out of it.

    Social Support: Faze it out slowly and offer opt out plans for the younger generation who won't have access to it.
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    Re: Public Polocies Part 1

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    Drugs: Prohibition causes more crime then it prevents. Legalize all drugs and use harm reduction. Treat drug addiction as a medical issue rather than a criminal one.

    Abortion: Keep the government out of it.

    Social Support: Faze it out slowly and offer opt out plans for the younger generation who won't have access to it.
    What do you mean by "opt out plans"?

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    Re: Public Polocies Part 1

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Drugs: I think we should legalize and tax a lot of drugs. Not all of them though. I think legalizing some drugs will cause more problems than it will solve, and they should stay illegal. Essentially anything that isn't addictive is probably fine to legalize, and things like Marijuana, Psilocybin, Peyote, LSD, etc. should be legal. Things like Heroin or Methamphetamine which cause severe physical dependence should remain illegal.
    I disagree - those drugs will be used anyway - its better to make it more safe and treat their problems as medical and psychologically based

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Abortion: Elective abortion legal to 20 weeks gestation. Abortion legal after that only if the mother's health/life is seriously threatened or if the fetus isn't viable. Men should have 4 weeks from the time that they find out they got someone pregnant in which they can legally give up all rights and responsibilities to the child without requiring consent from the mother.
    This is essentially in line with my views

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    Social support: Social security needs serious help. Retirement age needs to be increased considerably and the cap on contributions needs to be repealed. Welfare and Unemployment should be more about helping to make people independent again than simply handing them money.
    I agree, especially with making welfare about getting people back on their feet, not stuck in the system. One way of doing this would be to get rid of cut-offs and make it so that as the poor make more money, benefits aren't cut off to the point that they can't afford their bills anymore. Instead, benefits would gradually disappear as the individual or family made more money. An additional reward, such as a tax credit if they receive a raise during one year, would give them extra incentive to move up. The only problem being that if everyone were to move out of poverty, who would be left to do the wealthy's bidding?

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    Re: Public Polocies Part 1

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    I disagree - those drugs will be used anyway - its better to make it more safe and treat their problems as medical and psychologically based
    The question is whether more people would use them if they were made legal. I suspect they would. Those are not drugs we want to encourage people to use.
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    Re: Public Polocies Part 1

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    The question is whether more people would use them if they were made legal. I suspect they would. Those are not drugs we want to encourage people to use.
    Ok then do you say we should keep them on a criminal scale because I believe if we treated addicts as sick people rather than criminals then a lot of perception would change.


    What do you mean by "opt out plans"?
    A person can choose to opt out of social security in favor of a private savings.
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    Re: Public Polocies Part 1

    Drugs: Freedom of choice and self-ownership are paramount. Drug-use is a victimless action, therefore there is no justification for criminalizing the sale or possession of drugs. People are responsible for the harm they self-inflict; they are also responsible for any crimes they commit under the influence. Laws around the margins, such as "you may not sell to minors," or "you may not operate a vehicle while under the influence") are permissible, and even desirable. I do not believe in pigovian taxes on these drugs, either; if there is a sales tax, then apply it universally. The tax code should not moralize. THAT SAID, whatever the method of taxation the government in question employs, it makes more sense to get drugs off the black market both so that there is no ancillary crime generated from the manufacturing or sale and that taxes would apply normally.


    Abortion, unlike drug use, is not a matter for freedom of choice, nor is it victimless. I would not say "no exceptions," but the exceptions that are permissible are exceedingly rare. It is permissible, for example, as an emergency triage action in which the kid is going to die regardless of action, but the mother will die without intervention; a physician has an obligation to both patients, but at that point the ethical action becomes to save who you can.


    Social support: Charity is not the role of the state. Eliminate every last vestige of the welfare state.
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    Re: Public Polocies Part 1

    Drugs- Remove the DEA and federal involvement in drugs, focus all former-DEA federal resources to watching imports to keep drugs from being exported to US. Leave all drug laws up to the states. If Louisiana wants 20 years in prison for a joint and Colorado let's you carry ounces around on your person and smoke wherever, I guess you'd know where the fun state is. Intoxication laws and addiction services are up to the state per its own policies. Might require minimal federal standards for interstate highways and other national transportation system and related issues of drug use and occupations, granted.

    Abortion; as a medical procedure, there should be no federal government involvement, let states regulate the late-term abortion issues if they want. Women bodies, women's choices. Abortions should be covered by insurance companies, but there is no way to force an insurance company to pay for certain medical procedures, including abortions.

    Social Support; minimal federal involvement, mostly focusing on soldiers and other federally employed people to keep federal fiduciary responsibilities low. Let states set up their own welfare systems and fund them itself through government revenue and adjust itself to the needs of the state and the will of it's people.
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    Re: Public Polocies Part 1

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    The question is whether more people would use them if they were made legal. I suspect they would. Those are not drugs we want to encourage people to use.
    I don't think allowing clinically supervised use of those "hard" drugs would be very encouraging.

    I tend to think that, because people now how damaging those drugs can be, those drugs would be the least likely to show an increase in use. jmo

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