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Texas secession?

Texas secession?

  • Anytime they want

    Votes: 47 54.7%

  • Bad times only

    Votes: 1 1.2%

  • No way

    Votes: 35 40.7%

  • I don't know

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 3 3.5%
  • Total voters
    86
Henrin said:
Destruction and murder.

You tell me how they are connected. Am I talking to a two year old right now?
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I have no idea. Is it this?

http://www.mad-ctu.com/

Perhaps you can tell us what riddle you have wrapped into the puzzle that is your thinking process?

In all my years, I have never come across a person who has such supreme difficulty making themselves understood as you are with this line of 'thought'.
 
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haymarket said:
I have no idea.

Perhaps you can tell us what riddle you have wrapped into the puzzle that is your thinking process?

In all my years, I have never come across a person who has such supreme difficulty making themselves understood as you are with this line of 'thought'.
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So you don't know how they are connected which means you have no idea why we punish murder.

Great..
 
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haymarket said:
As I have already told you - there simply is no such power that you are describing.
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but but the tenth amendment says they have such power,ofall the arguments you could have made you made the weakest all,an argument trumped by the 10nth,you would have been better off using court desicions rather than just saying they werent given the power.
 
Henrin said:
So you don't know how they are connected which means you have no idea why we punish murder.

Great..
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What is it exactly that is your point?
 
beerftw said:
but but the tenth amendment says they have such power,ofall the arguments you could have made you made the weakest all,an argument trumped by the 10nth,you would have been better off using court desicions rather than just saying they werent given the power.
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No it does not. The White decisions says there is no such power - reserved or otherwise.
 
haymarket said:
As I have already told you - there simply is no such power that you are describing.
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Yes, you keep repeating that assertion, yet you steadfastly refuse to offer any constitutional backing for this claim.

All actions that are not prohibited to the states are allowed. This much is clear from the plain text of the constitution. Unless you can show us some prohibition against a state leaving the union, we must conclude that such an act is allowed.
 
Centinel said:
Yes, you keep repeating that assertion, yet you steadfastly refuse to offer any constitutional backing for this claim.

All actions that are not prohibited to the states are allowed. This much is clear from the plain text of the constitution. Unless you can show us some prohibition against a state leaving the union, we must conclude that such an act is allowed.
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the Constitution says nothing about lots and lots and lots of stuff which floats around in peoples minds.

So what?
 
haymarket said:
No it does not. The White decisions says there is no such power - reserved or otherwise.
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Which we have already dealt with in this thread and other threads like it over and over again.
 
beerftw said:
but but the tenth amendment says they have such power,ofall the arguments you could have made you made the weakest all,an argument trumped by the 10nth,you would have been better off using court desicions rather than just saying they werent given the power.
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Exactly. The 10th amendment clearly says that anything that is not prohibited to the states is allowed. Since there is no specific prohibition against a state leaving the union, it is therefore allowed.
 
haymarket said:
No it does not. The White decisions says there is no such power - reserved or otherwise.
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but the tenth says all powers not restricted are granted to the states.i couldnt find anywhere saying they couldnt in the constitution.

your weak argument is arguing against the tenth,by saying they were never given any power,but the tenth says the states can any power not prohibited to them.therefore it would be they were restricted from by the court not they were not granted the power,because the tenth grants states that power unless a higher power has taken away that power.

in the case of secession the only thing that their really is to argue is court cases,because the constitution does not specify,im not sure the reasoning behind the founding fathers not adressing the issue,but it wasnt adressed.
 
Centinel said:
Exactly. The 10th amendment clearly says that anything that is not prohibited to the states is allowed. Since there is no specific prohibition against a state leaving the union, it is therefore allowed.
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So why did your opinion not prevail?
 
haymarket said:
the Constitution says nothing about lots and lots and lots of stuff which floats around in peoples minds.

So what?
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So, if the constitution does not prohibit a state from doing an act, the state may do the act.
 
Centinel said:
So, if the constitution does not prohibit a state from doing an act, the state may do the act.
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So why is your opinion the losing opinion on this issue when you see it so crystal clear?
 
Centinel said:
Who knows? People make mistakes all the time. The fact that people make mistakes has nothing to do with the plain language of the constitution.
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But if it is so plain and clear to you - why did your position end up losing on this? Do you labor under the delusion that only you and yours possess some secret information which was not known to the members of the US Supreme Court?
 
haymarket said:
So why is your opinion the losing opinion on this issue when you see it so crystal clear?
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I can't tell you why people hold the opinions they do. I can only tell you what is written in the plain language of the constitution, and point out that there is no prohibition against a state quitting the union.
 
haymarket said:
But if it is so plain and clear to you - why did your position end up losing on this? Do you labor under the delusion that only you and yours possess some secret information which was not known to the members of the US Supreme Court?
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As I just said, I can not explain why people cannot read the constitution. I'm sure they had what they thought were very good reasons for making the decision they did. However, even you must admit that their decision had no constitutional foundation.

As you said earlier, the government does what it wants, regardless of right or wrong, or the law.
 
Centinel said:
So, if the constitution does not prohibit a state from doing an act, the state may do the act.
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You have a very juvenile understanding of the Constitution. Thank God the framers were smart enough to institute a court to interpret it instead of leaving it to the states. Otherwise this country would have been reduced to bunch of petty little fifedoms full petty little tyrants bickering and warring with each other a long time ago.
 
Centinel said:
As I just said, I can not explain why people cannot read the constitution. I'm sure they had what they thought were very good reasons for making the decision they did. However, even you must admit that their decision had no constitutional foundation.

As you said earlier, the government does what it wants, regardless of right or wrong, or the law.
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NO. You simply see something there which is not there. You have adopted a self imposed beliefs system based on axioms which cannot be proven nor disproved and you allow those to trump reality.
 
haymarket said:
NO. You simply see something there which is not there. You have adopted a self imposed beliefs system based on axioms which cannot be proven nor disproved and you allow those to trump reality.
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So really are foolish enough to think the words "to form a more perfect union" has power behind it?
 
Quantrill said:
Go back and read.

Quantrill
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Through 100+ pages of Southern secessionist nonsense? If you do not show that you have actually provided evidence for your claim then I will assume none exists.
 
To Quantrill:

Do you respect the institution of slavery?
 
Moot said:
You have a very juvenile understanding of the Constitution. Thank God the framers were smart enough to institute a court to interpret it instead of leaving it to the states. Otherwise this country would have been reduced to bunch of petty little fifedoms full petty little tyrants bickering and warring with each other a long time ago.
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actually i wonder where the court interperated it from???because i cant find any part of the constitution that says otherwise,so does that mean the court can write and create law????????
 
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