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Texas secession?

Texas secession?

  • Anytime they want

    Votes: 47 54.7%

  • Bad times only

    Votes: 1 1.2%

  • No way

    Votes: 35 40.7%

  • I don't know

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 3 3.5%
  • Total voters
    86
Redress said:
Or I could have been joking around based on some of the sillyness of the last couple years politically from those states. In seriousness, Texas will never secede. Standing on their own two feet would be hard.
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Well, it's a sensitive issue, since we're constantly regarded by non Texans as racist, alcoholic, redneck morons that beat our wives, and shoot Mexicans for lulz.
 
What type of financial costs would there be with such a situation?
considering the borderline and the cost of fencing it off from the rest of the USA.
Wouldn't that make it virtually impossible to then make that move?
they can pay for the fence with their oil.
What is the share of the national debt that each citizen owes - Texans included? If they wanted to leave, should then not pay their bills before being doing that?
we might be better off writing off the debt, as long as they all go and stay away.
What about Social Security and medicare?
They lose it all
What about federal property and buildings in Texas?
they have to buy it
What about jobs Texans hold connected to the Federal government?
they are all fired
What happens to the Texans who do not want to secede?
they get 1 year to get out, or else....then after learning english, we let them emigrate, at the back of the line
What happens to other Americans who want to then move to Texas after secession?
the average IQ goes up in the USA, and down in Texas
Who becomes responsible for the defense of Texas?
Texas
 
Thank you for replying Utah Bill. Great job! :cool::mrgreen:

However, the one area I would disagree is the payment of their share of the federal debt. That should be done before anything else is made official.
 
haymarket said:
Thank you for replying Utah Bill. Great job! :cool::mrgreen:

However, the one area I would disagree is the payment of their share of the federal debt. That should be done before anything else is made official.
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you are correct, I forgot to consider the fact that it was 3 Texans who got us into wars we didn't need to be involved in....LBJ, the Bush, and the Shrub....
 
Forget about Texas...what if Colorado wanted to secede? Or Illinois? How would that work out?
 
Lokiate said:
Oh yay, small business will save us by producing a fraction of the resources we require. As I said, it's not about the government, it's about nobody in the union doing business with us.
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What don't you understand about this? Resources don't come from the government. They come from people. People will invest in the state if the government funding is gone. Do you not understand how an economy works?

Hooray, we get BP... if they continue business with us. I don't know if you've noticed this, but the world has changed a lot since the 1860's.
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England actually traded more with the US than they ever did before the revolution.
 
As a Native Texan I can tell you that it will never happen...EVEN IF it were 100% legal, no hassle from the Federal government. It would be economically impossible for Texas to secede. While Texas does have many natural resource, it couldn't afford an adequate military and Texas ranks among the worst states in the nation for education. I would become much worse. I can think of a whole lot of reason Texas couldn't pull out of the union. But, I'll leave it here. Let your critical thinking skills be your guide. Hint: Just think of all the types of expenses it take to run a country.
 
phattonez said:
What don't you understand about this? Resources don't come from the government. They come from people. People will invest in the state if the government funding is gone. Do you not understand how an economy works?
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What don't you understand that I'm not talking about the federal government? Other states that we rely on will not do trade with us. The majority of our resources do not come from Texas. One does not simply walk away from the Federal Union.



England actually traded more with the US than they ever did before the revolution.
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And we are well beyond the 19th century. We have this thing called a global economy now, England isn't going to risk damaging relations with the US by supporting a secessionist state.
 
Lokiate said:
What don't you understand that I'm not talking about the federal government? Other states that we rely on will not do trade with us. The majority of our resources do not come from Texas. One does not simply walk away from the Federal Union.




And we are well beyond the 19th century. We have this thing called a global economy now, England isn't going to risk damaging relations with the US by supporting a secessionist state.
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if succession is attempted in the same manner as it was last time.. Texas was be screwed, for many of the reason cited around here... it would be bloody and unproductive

if they chose a different route, say consent of the states, it's entirely feasible that trade could be normalized as part of the exit negotiation.
 
Thrilla said:
if succession is attempted in the same manner as it was last time.. Texas was be screwed, for many of the reason cited around here... it would be bloody and unproductive

if they chose a different route, say consent of the states, it's entirely feasible that trade could be normalized as part of the exit negotiation.
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I don't know man, I don't think it's going to be that easy. The US has a lot on us, including our share in the national debt. We'd have to pay that back, on top of other things. I'm also sure people would leave by the thousands, and that's minimal damage. Then we have the Mexico issue. Trade could be worked out to some degree, but I don't think it would be enough. Texas isn't very well received in the majority of states, and even less abroad. It's in our best interest to stay with the Union.
 
Lokiate said:
I don't know man, I don't think it's going to be that easy. The US has a lot on us, including our share in the national debt. We'd have to pay that back, on top of other things. I'm also sure people would leave by the thousands, and that's minimal damage. Then we have the Mexico issue. Trade could be worked out to some degree, but I don't think it would be enough. Texas isn't very well received in the majority of states, and even less abroad. It's in our best interest to stay with the Union.
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i'm just fleshing out ways to do it... not making an argument that we should

there are certainly benefits to being in the union, no doubt...... protection from Mexico isn't really one of them though :lol:
 
Cyrillic said:
So if you enter US you cannot go on your own. Why does US then support Kosovo?
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Well, if and when Texans start a genocidal ethnic cleansing against certain races and/or religions, then I expect that military troops would be sent in and the US would be bombing Texas.
 
Red_Dave said:
Because you say so?

As regards Goshin's question the only moral problem I can think of is how the rest of the U.S could be repaid for all the money it put into Texas's infrastructure, agriculture subsidies etc. Not that its an insurmountable problem just one that would need thinking about.
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I figured someone would say something like, how is Texas going to repay all the money the Fedgov put into it.


Reverse the question. How is the Fedgov going to repay the Lone Star Republic for all the tax revenues they've taken from same for the past hundred years?

It works both ways.
 
megaprogman said:
This country is the of its citizens, not some subset of them. Thats the moral justification.
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So the citizens of Delaware have just as much right to tell people in Texas what they can and can't do, as those who live in Texas.


It doesn't wash. If that were the moral justification, then the USA had no right to seceed from Britain.
 
Thrilla said:
i'm just fleshing out ways to do it... not making an argument that we should

there are certainly benefits to being in the union, no doubt...... protection from Mexico isn't really one of them though :lol:
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Well, we do lose the federal Border Patrol if we secede, which puts the burden on Texas. I shudder to think what Perry would do without the Fed telling him to get ****ed on his more "eccentric" ideas. Also, I suddenly realize that we'd be stuck with Rick Perry as el presidente. I don't even want to think what kind of government structure he would concoct in absence of a Supreme Court, and a Constitution that protects the Rights of the People.
 
Considering that Texas gets $1.25 for every $1.00 then send to Washington, they would be idiots to think of succeeding. Of course Texans aren't known for their smarts.
 
Lokiate said:
What don't you understand that I'm not talking about the federal government? Other states that we rely on will not do trade with us. The majority of our resources do not come from Texas. One does not simply walk away from the Federal Union.
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They would trade. Denying a trading partner is willingly giving up on wealth for no good reason.

And we are well beyond the 19th century. We have this thing called a global economy now, England isn't going to risk damaging relations with the US by supporting a secessionist state.
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And England eventually gave in and decided to trade with us.
 
phattonez said:
They would trade. Denying a trading partner is willingly giving up on wealth for no good reason.
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And likewise, they won't do business with us if they believe it will cause them to lose other markets.



And England eventually gave in and decided to trade with us.
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With the United States, not Texas.
 
Centinel said:
I applaud you on your statement. You are one of the few here who would allow another state to leave in peace. Good on ya.
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Thanks. It's the reason I voted 'anytime they want'. I always thought the big mistake we made after the Civil War was allowing the Rebel states back into the union. I'm glad the war was fought, because the result of that war was the freeing of slaves and the end of slavery, but I would have had no problem with simply letting the defeated southern states do whatever the hell they wanted - other than bringing back slavery. I think the rest of the country would have been better off with that solution.
 
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Removable Mind said:
As a Native Texan I can tell you that it will never happen...EVEN IF it were 100% legal, no hassle from the Federal government. It would be economically impossible for Texas to secede. While Texas does have many natural resource, it couldn't afford an adequate military and Texas ranks among the worst states in the nation for education. I would become much worse. I can think of a whole lot of reason Texas couldn't pull out of the union. But, I'll leave it here. Let your critical thinking skills be your guide. Hint: Just think of all the types of expenses it take to run a country.
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I think your analyis is a good one.
 
Lokiate said:
I don't know man, I don't think it's going to be that easy. The US has a lot on us, including our share in the national debt. We'd have to pay that back, on top of other things. I'm also sure people would leave by the thousands, and that's minimal damage. Then we have the Mexico issue. Trade could be worked out to some degree, but I don't think it would be enough. Texas isn't very well received in the majority of states, and even less abroad. It's in our best interest to stay with the Union.
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You'd lose all of your citizens who considered themselves Americans first and Texans second. Of course you'd gain all of those anti-government people - the ones who don't believe in a central government or in strong goverment at all. Lots of luck with that approach in the 21st century. I think the rest of the country comes out ahead in the population exchange, too.
 
I would like very much for Texas to secede, or be removed, regardless of what happens to the US dollar or anything else. So yes, go right ahead
 
I not only would be okay with Texas voluntarily leaving the union; I think we should kick Texas out whether they want to go or not.
 
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