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Texas secession?

Texas secession?

  • Anytime they want

    Votes: 47 54.7%
  • Bad times only

    Votes: 1 1.2%
  • No way

    Votes: 35 40.7%
  • I don't know

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 3 3.5%

  • Total voters
    86
Yes, I would. We don't have the ability to sustain ourselves without being attached to the federal government.

Say what? The national government is a leech upon the productive capacity of this country. We would be far better off without it.
 
This country is the of its citizens, not some subset of them. Thats the moral justification.

That's a pretty weak argument. I guess majority rules is morality for you?
 
Never has been and still isn't.

But it doesn't matter. The Fed govt and Northern States do not go by the Constitution unless it benefited them. The South was right Constitutionally, but the North showed us that didn't matter. And it won't matter now either.

Quantrill
 
But it doesn't matter. The Fed govt and Northern States do not go by the Constitution unless it benefited them. The South was right Constitutionally, but the North showed us that didn't matter. And it won't matter now either.

Quantrill

Dude, just secede. We don't ****ing want Texas anyway. Seriously. We'll take Puerto Rico or something as our 50th star.

See ya.
 
States gave up their sovereignty when they joined the Union. See the Constitution for State restrictions.

States did not give up their soverignty. Where do you get that? Didn't you read the clause I quoted in the Virginia ratification document?

Quantrill
 
But it doesn't matter. The Fed govt and Northern States do not go by the Constitution unless it benefited them. The South was right Constitutionally, but the North showed us that didn't matter. And it won't matter now either.

Quantrill

Obviously, but that's not what's being debated.
 
But it doesn't matter. The Fed govt and Northern States do not go by the Constitution unless it benefited them. The South was right Constitutionally, but the North showed us that didn't matter. And it won't matter now either.

Correct. As with most things involving the government, they do what they want be cause, frankly, who's going to tell them they can't, right?
 
Dude, just secede. We don't ****ing want Texas anyway. Seriously. We'll take Puerto Rico or something as our 50th star.

See ya.

Your not paying attention very well. The Federal govt. is not going to let anyone secede. It doesn't matter about legal or Constitution.

Quantrill
 
Correct. As with most things involving the government, they do what they want be cause, frankly, who's going to tell them they can't, right?

Right.

Quantrill
 
Your not paying attention very well. The Federal govt. is not going to let anyone secede. It doesn't matter about legal or Constitution.

Quantrill

I'm sure we'll all agree. You can't stop the will of the people. Texas wants to secede and the people of America don't like Texas anyway. It's a ****hole of a state that always does embarrassing, redneck, bull**** things. The butthole of America can leave at any point, in my opinion.
 
Correct. As with most things involving the government, they do what they want be cause, frankly, who's going to tell them they can't, right?

Right.

Quantrill
 
Say what? The national government is a leech upon the productive capacity of this country. We would be far better off without it.

That's cute. Where exactly are we going to get the resources, agriculture, and production to sustain 25.6 million people? It doesn't all come from Texas. In fact, very little of what we have is made "in house". We just going to magically build an economy and industry out of nowhere? Poof, out of thin air... not happening bro, because the second we secede, all support from our neighboring states is out. That also means no help from the Border Patrol and US Customs, no TSA, just to see family or friends that live in another state, you'll need a passport. Texas would sink faster than Exxon-Valdez. I don't want that, I don't think you do, either. Secession is stupid. We need to be working with our neighbors, instead of thinking **** everyone else because we're the BEST OF ALL TIME EVAR!!!11!!!!!! because we're not. We rely on the US just as much as they rely on us.
 
That's cute. Where exactly are we going to get the resources, agriculture, and production to sustain 25.6 million people?

You think that comes from the government?

It doesn't all come from Texas. In fact, very little of what we have is made "in house". We just going to magically build an economy and industry out of nowhere? Poof, out of thin air... not happening bro, because the second we secede, all support from our neighboring states is out. That also means no help from the Border Patrol and US Customs, no TSA, just to see family or friends that live in another state, you'll need a passport. Texas would sink faster than Exxon-Valdez. I don't want that, I don't think you do, either. Secession is stupid. We need to be working with our neighbors, instead of thinking **** everyone else because we're the BEST OF ALL TIME EVAR!!!11!!!!!! because we're not. We rely on the US just as much as they rely on us.

You think that the US government actually produces something? The government cannot do anything unless it first steals wealth from the populace.
 
I'm sure we'll all agree. You can't stop the will of the people. Texas wants to secede and the people of America don't like Texas anyway. It's a ****hole of a state that always does embarrassing, redneck, bull**** things. The butthole of America can leave at any point, in my opinion.

They stopped it in 1865. And that with 13 states that did and some others who wanted to secede. The will of the people is a cause for war also.

Quantrill
 
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A very practical question here: let us put aside the political argument about if they could or could not. Lets assume Texas can leave if the people so desire it.

What type of financial costs would there be with such a situation?

Wouldn't that make it virtually impossible to then make that move?

What is the share of the national debt that each citizen owes - Texans included? If they wanted to leave, should then not pay their bills before being doing that?

What about Social Security and medicare?

What about federal property and buildings in Texas?
What about jobs Texans hold connected to the Federal government?

What happens to all this?

What happens to the Texans who do not want to secede?

What happens to other Americans who want to then move to Texas after secession?

Who becomes responsible for the defense of Texas?
 
You think that comes from the government?
No, it comes from other states, who will not support us, if we secede. Millions of jobs will be lost, because a majority of jobs come from companies that aren't founded in Texas. Say goodbye to the majority of our refineries, including all related subdivisions, because those belong to other states, and countries. Not to mention retail outlets, franchises, and other big businesses we use to maintain our economy, and give people jobs. We'll be completely destitute in a matter of months.


You think that the US government actually produces something? The government cannot do anything unless it first steals wealth from the populace.
I'm talking about the Union states. If you think they're going to continue doing business with us after a secession, you're living in a cloud.
 
I don't give a damn about Texas or Texans are they are welcome to leave our country any time they wish.
 
I'm sure we'll all agree. You can't stop the will of the people. Texas wants to secede and the people of America don't like Texas anyway. It's a ****hole of a state that always does embarrassing, redneck, bull**** things. The butthole of America can leave at any point, in my opinion.

If they go, I wish they would take their sister states, Arizona and both Carolina's. Would be a healthier America.
 
No, it comes from other states, who will not support us, if we secede. Millions of jobs will be lost, because a majority of jobs come from companies that aren't founded in Texas. Say goodbye to the majority of our refineries, including all related subdivisions, because those belong to other states, and countries. Not to mention retail outlets, franchises, and other big businesses we use to maintain our economy, and give people jobs. We'll be completely destitute in a matter of months.

Chicken Little, I think the sky is falling. :lol: You don't think private companies would come in and take over those oil refineries? Where do you think the money comes from to run businesses? The government just doles out wealth and we are the happy recipients? This is hilarious.

I'm talking about the Union states. If you think they're going to continue doing business with us after a secession, you're living in a cloud.

Lol, because England never did business with us after we seceded. This is some great stuff.
 
Yeah, because we're all beer swilling rednecks :roll:

Or I could have been joking around based on some of the sillyness of the last couple years politically from those states. In seriousness, Texas will never secede. Standing on their own two feet would be hard.
 
Wow, what's going on here, 23 pages so far? :shock:

It was not an invitation to secede, but a hypothetical situation. :lol:
 
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This country is the of its citizens, not some subset of them. Thats the moral justification.

Because you say so?

As regards Goshin's question the only moral problem I can think of is how the rest of the U.S could be repaid for all the money it put into Texas's infrastructure, agriculture subsidies etc. Not that its an insurmountable problem just one that would need thinking about.
 
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Chicken Little, I think the sky is falling. :lol: You don't think private companies would come in and take over those oil refineries? Where do you think the money comes from to run businesses? The government just doles out wealth and we are the happy recipients? This is hilarious.
Oh yay, small business will save us by producing a fraction of the resources we require. As I said, it's not about the government, it's about nobody in the union doing business with us.



Lol, because England never did business with us after we seceded. This is some great stuff.
Hooray, we get BP... if they continue business with us. I don't know if you've noticed this, but the world has changed a lot since the 1860's.
 
I see the federal government as a voluntary compact among a group of sovereign states. If any state wishes to leave, they can. The people of the other 49 states are not the owners of Texas.
Another good theory that wouldn't work out as advertised if attempted in real life.
 
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