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Texas secession?

Texas secession?

  • Anytime they want

    Votes: 47 54.7%
  • Bad times only

    Votes: 1 1.2%
  • No way

    Votes: 35 40.7%
  • I don't know

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 3 3.5%

  • Total voters
    86

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Howdy,

Let's assume times get tough, the US dollar crashes or something of that magnitude. Would you mind Texas secession if they choose to?

:peace
 
Howdy,

Let's assume times get tough, the US dollar crashes or something of that magnitude. Would you mind Texas secession if they choose to?

:peace

I see the federal government as a voluntary compact among a group of sovereign states. If any state wishes to leave, they can. The people of the other 49 states are not the owners of Texas.
 
We had this discussion a very long time ago and decided it a very long time ago.

While it may be appealing on a political level to let Texas go and take their automatic Republican Electoral votes with them, as a patriotic American, I must vote NO. There is no right to secede.
 
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We had this discussion a very long time ago and decided it a very long time ago.

While it may be appealing on a political level to let Texas go and take their automatic Republican Electoral votes with them, as a patriotic American, I must vote NO. There is no right to secede.

So if you enter US you cannot go on your own. Why does US then support Kosovo?
 
US Supreme Court Justice Scalia answered this question with a resounding NO when asked by a screen writer.



Here is his letter.

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We had this discussion a very long time ago and decided it a very long time ago.

While it may be appealing on a political level to let Texas go and take their automatic Republican Electoral votes with them, as a patriotic American, I must vote NO. There is no right to secede.

As far as I know, Texas has an exclusive right to succeed, it's negotiated before they joined the US. Right?
 
As far as I know, Texas has an exclusive right to succeed, it's negotiated before they joined the US. Right?

As far as I know, there is no provision in either the US Constitution or in the Texas Constitution which allows it to secede.
 
As far as I know, Texas has an exclusive right to succeed, it's negotiated before they joined the US. Right?

In any event, it simply seems wrong for 49 states to deny a 50th its independence. If the people of Texas cannot leave the compact into which they voluntarily acceded, then that would mean that Texas is not a political state at all, but merely a conquered territory of the other 49 states.
 
What would you do if they did democratically voted for secession? Occupy them and install a puppet government?

It would be quite a different set of circumstances to the Civil War.
 
What would you do if they did democratically voted for secession? Occupy them and install a puppet government?

That is an excellent question. How would the people in the other 49 states feel about conquering the state of Texas and maintaining an army of occupation there? I certainly would not support sending the youth of my Commonwealth to conquer and occupy another American state.
 
That is an excellent question. How would the people in the other 49 states feel about conquering the state of Texas and maintaining an army of occupation there? I certainly would not support sending the youth of my Commonwealth to conquer and occupy another American state.

:shrug: It worked well enough after the civil war.
 
It would be a matter entirely for the people of Texas, but it might be bloody. If they had the will to secede and to militarily repel federal attempts to prevent it, they'd be entitled to their independence. Independence usually involves a degree of war and bloodshed, doesn't it? Not always, but usually.
 
:shrug: It worked well enough after the civil war.

It did then yes. However, I wonder whether with our current round the clock video news cycle the people of the 49 remaining states would support such an occupation. I wonder whether they would have the stomach for the violence that would necessary to subjugate their fellow Americans.
 
It would be a matter entirely for the people of Texas, but it might be bloody. If they had the will to secede and to militarily repel federal attempts to prevent it, they'd be entitled to their independence. Independence usually involves a degree of war and bloodshed, doesn't it? Not always, but usually.

It is telling that it is simply assumed that any movement toward self-rule will immediately met by invasion and conquest. It sort of dispels any fantasies that self-rule is a meaningful value in the minds of the American people. What we all seem to accept is "other-rule", which asserts, for instance, that the people of 49 states have some sort of divine right to rule over the 50th state. For the life of me, I just can't figure out why or how they believe this.
 
It would be a matter entirely for the people of Texas, but it might be bloody. If they had the will to secede and to militarily repel federal attempts to prevent it, they'd be entitled to their independence. Independence usually involves a degree of war and bloodshed, doesn't it? Not always, but usually.

If a (social) contract doesn't include an "end the contract" clause, it's not really a contract, is it?
If you perceive the US government as some evil tyrant who like to keeps everybody under his thumb, then yes, independence would mean war and bloodshed.
 
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No. Secession is explicitly forbidden by the constitution. We had this discussion a long time again and it's a settled issue. Secession is illegal.
 
If you perceive the US government as some evil tyrant who like to keep everybody under his thumb, then yes, independence would mean war and bloodshed.
This perception seems to be justified, given the federal government's actions. It's sad that the government of a free people exhibits such predatory behavior.
 
And if the people of Texas voted to do this, what would they be giving up? And what would they have to pay for?
 
:shrug: It worked well enough after the civil war.

Reconstruction was the tragedy that created a divisive bitterness that still lingers. "Well enough" isn't the right term.
 
Howdy,

Let's assume times get tough, the US dollar crashes or something of that magnitude. Would you mind Texas secession if they choose to?

:peace

Sure, it would be the worst thing Texas could do.
 
And if the people of Texas voted to do this, what would they be giving up? And what would they have to pay for?

How about their portion of the national debt (as % of the population) and then wave DC goodbye. :)
 
No. Secession is explicitly forbidden by the constitution. We had this discussion a long time again and it's a settled issue. Secession is illegal.

I think whether something is legal or not is only meaningful if one is prepared to enforce the law. That's leaving aside whether what's legal is actually morally right.

In reality keeping a state within a union against its will would probably lead to the loss of other constitutional rights. I imagine the 2nd would be the first on the chopping block if a proper rebellion kicked off.
 
Is this the future of our "great nation" , secession ?
IMO, if it is, then so be it.....
Will we revert to be like the European nations of the middle ages ?
More than history should be taught in our schools.
Man should be taught how to get along with his fellow man.
 
How about their portion of the national debt (as % of the population) and then wave DC goodbye. :)

And what about benefits that are due American citizens like Social Security and Medicare?

What about US government property within Texas?
 
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