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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What efforts exactly has anyone taken to show writing of the founders that say secession is illegal in the Constitution?
    You really haven't been following this thread have you?

    That's been beaten to death, case law showing it again and again.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Slavery is an apt description of a taxpayer that has their weekly wages garnished for the express purpose of supporting the life of another citzen, simply because that other citizen has chosen not to support themself or their family by working.
    That's ignorant. Most people on welfare work, or are children.

    That's doubly ignorant when you compare paying the lowest tax rates in two generations to slavery. And most actual welfare is corporate welfare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JuanBatista View Post
    You really haven't been following this thread have you?

    That's been beaten to death, case law showing it again and again.
    Sorry? Since when does case law say what the founders said on the topic?

    Do you realize I'm looking for quotes? Apparently not.
    Last edited by Henrin; 05-27-12 at 07:36 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JuanBatista View Post
    That's ignorant. Most people on welfare work, or are children.

    That's doubly ignorant when you compare paying the lowest tax rates in two generations to slavery. And most actual welfare is corporate welfare.
    I love how you think any of that changes anything.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    ...and queue the hand waving.

    It's right there in black and white. Do you see anything in the constitution that places a restriction on any state leaving the union?

    Nope, didn't think so.
    Apparently you didn't bother to read most of the thread.

    Or the rest of the Constitution...

    Here's a hint: Have you read the parts where it talks about admission of states, the only relevant parts to the question?

    Didn't think so...most Libertarians conveniently ignore them. And secessionists breath fire if you mention them.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    Oh, the good guys are those who destroyed the Constitution? Rule by another, higher law? Are traitors? Oh yeah, I recognize em all right.

    Quantrill
    The good guys sure as hell aren't ones who buy and sell people to force them to work for nothing and rape their daughters.

    They sure aren't the traitors who forced the loyal majority of southerners into secession at the point of a gun or death threats.

    And the constitution sure as hell is not holy writ. It's a fallible document.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JuanBatista View Post
    Apparently you didn't bother to read most of the thread.

    Or the rest of the Constitution...

    Here's a hint: Have you read the parts where it talks about admission of states, the only relevant parts to the question?

    Didn't think so...most Libertarians conveniently ignore them. And secessionists breath fire if you mention them.
    What?

    Section 3 - New States

    New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

    The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.
    Yeah, I'm so scared of that.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The Alamo was a battle, it is who won the rematch (the war) that changed Texas history forever.
    The so called rematch mattered little. What ultimately counted was the US invasion nine years later taking over the state for the US as a slave state, which was the intent of the insurgents all along.

    The only thing important about the Alamo is how it was used to justify race war and ethnic cleansing.

    It's a potent propaganda symbol. Just like Little Big Horn, it's used to glorify incompetent commanders and pretend the invaders were "defenders" in a racialized last stand.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What?



    Yeah, I'm so scared of that.
    Just like I thought, yet another Libertarian defending secession completely ignorant of the part of the const that actually bars secession:


    "The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States..."

    That's pretty absolute. Congress can bar secession at will. States have no power to say no.

    That, and the supremacy clause, both bar secession.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    I'm sure that this thread has gone off the rails since I read it last, but there was something I wanted to point out that I'm not sure has been brought up.

    Everyone has been talking as if the entire state of Texas wishes to secede. But there may be groups of people within Texas that don't want to secede.

    Such as what happened to Virginia when it's state legislature seceded, but the counties west of the Appalachian Mountains were pro-Union, and so seceded from Virginia to form West Virginia.

    So what we're supposing here is that the entirety of what is now Texas would be able to secede somehow. But there may be contiguous counties that would prefer to stay within the U.S.

    And if they broke off from Texas to form their own state, that would greatly diminish the Lone Star Republic.

    I don't know much about the demographics of Texas to contemplate which areas would be carved out of it though.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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