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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by unapologeticdan View Post
    I'm sure in 51 pages this has already been answered, but here's the FAQ's on Texas secession: Texas Secede! FAQ
    There's more delusion in there that in your typical UFO or Bigfoot site online.

    Start with the two biggest delusions, that Texas was supposedly independent, and that the majority of Texans ever wanted it.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Even with the reality that one side was fighting to preserve the enslavement of a race of people!?!?!?!?!?

    Even when the reality is that one side was fighting to destroy the USA?!?!?!?!?!?

    Sorry, but most can recognize the good guys in all this and it sure is not the ones fighting to keep their fellow man in chains.
    Oh, the good guys are those who destroyed the Constitution? Rule by another, higher law? Are traitors? Oh yeah, I recognize em all right.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post

    On the other hand, you don't own other people, so should feel no sense of loss when they choose to exercise their right of self government. I get the impression that your bitter lashing out at those who wish to govern themselves is akin to the plantation owner lashing out against "his" people that wished to be free.

    You don't own the people of Texas.
    Neither do you secesionists. You represent a dying crackpot belief, getting smaller all the time. You represent solely very conservative whites, to the right of Glenn Beck or Pat Buchanan, just barely to the left of David Duke. And many secessionists are outright racists.

    Some secessionist groups are outright terrorists. Let's be clear. The so called Republic of Texas militia was and is a terrorist organization as dangerous and extreme as Al Qaeda, but luckily far less competent.

    In the past decade the ROT militia tried to kill two presidents, Clinton and GW Bush. They tried to mass murder soldiers at Ft Bliss because they thought they were UN troops. They tried to get hold of anti aircraft missiles and bio weapons.

    And their platform calls for the expulsion or execution of anyone they disagree with, liberals, progressices, feminists. If they were to actually get Texas, it'd be a magnet for the worst of the militia movement terrorists, white supremacists, neo Nazis, you name it.

    That's why the loyal Americans of Texas, esp minorities, would fight secession tooth and nail.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    Habit.

    Murdering? I thought you called it total war? Oh I get it. Its total war when the yankee does it. Its murder when the Southernor does it.

    How does it feel?

    Quantrill
    Quantrill was despised by the CSA hierarchy, most notably Lee.

    Quantrill killed plenty of southerners.

    And of course the Union Army had hundreds of thousands of southerners in it, all volunteers.

    Unlike the CSA Army, which had a desertion rate three times higher than the US Army during Vietnam.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    Oh were Americans. Just not yankees. Southernors.

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    No, you are not. Traitors do not get to call themselves Amerians, certainly not loyal ones. And traitors is what every Confederate, neos too, are.

    Except for the many draftees forced into the CSA army of course. Naturally they showed how little they thought of the CSA by deserting.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    Correction, we are home. Indicating your the one that needs to leave.

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    Actually, loyal Americans are the majority of Texans, not traitors and secessionists. So we are just fine with visitors to the state.

    That was true during the Civil War too. All of south Texas, central Texas, and northeast Texas was loyal Unionist. Blacks, Germans, and Mexicans all were Unionist, along with most poor whites. A few elite plantation owners southwest of Houston did not represent Texas.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by JuanBatista View Post
    No, you are not. Traitors do not get to call themselves Amerians, certainly not loyal ones. And traitors is what every Confederate, neos too, are.

    Except for the many draftees forced into the CSA army of course. Naturally they showed how little they thought of the CSA by deserting.
    Again, you say many things. Jaw is moving. Nothing to support what you say.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So an American patriot punishes people when they practice their freedoms? Hmm..

    Leaving the country when you have money:

    We are going to tax your ass and you can never come back!

    Leaving the country when you are a state:

    You have to pay out of your nose and give me everything!

    You are such a patriot.
    It's not "freedom" when a small groups of secessionists try to take over the state vs the wishes of the majority of loyal Americans.

    You don't even have the support of most whites in the state for secession, much less the whole state population. Latinos, Blacks, Natives, all oppose secesion by 90% or more.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by JuanBatista View Post
    Neither do you secesionists. You represent a dying crackpot belief, getting smaller all the time.
    However, if the constitution means anything, then we have to allow any state to secede. The power to secede was reserved to the states, and the constitution contains no provision that restricts a state from leaving the union. There is simply no constitutional language that forbids a state from leaving.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    They didn't leave the union because of slavery, but a series of state rights violations that included ending slavery.
    Their own Declaration of Causes specifically said they were leaving because of slavery.

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