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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by JuanBatista View Post
    Literally ever last sentence out of your mouth is a lie.

    John Brown was stopped by the US military.
    He was hanged.
    His plot was uncovered in literally hours,and stopped within a few days.
    And Brown's six abolitionists who funded him didn't know he planned an uprising. He told them in advance funding had to be given "no questions asked." That's why the six were never charged.

    Even if they had known, so what? No one should mourn the death of slave owners any more than that of mass murderers and serial rapists, both of which many slave owners were.

    If Brown's plot had gone farther and he'd launched a slave uprising, we'd remember him like Toussaint Loverture and Denmark Vesey and Vicente Guererro.
    And I'll bet you don't know a single one of those.
    Stopped in a few days? What bs have you been reading. John Brown was a murderer already. Supported by the money men 6 of the North. They were aware of his intentions to attack the South. It doesn't matter if they didn't know where. They were accesory to his murders at Harpers Ferry. Accesory to his attack on a 'federal' installation'.

    Indeed, John Brown was seen as a heroe by the north as it was. Had he caused the great slave uprising he wanted and massacred the whites in the South, he would have been recieved as a greater hero.

    See what the South was dealing with. Treason and hypocrisy. Glory, glory, ...hallelujah.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    Man, the yankee hates to lose his money. They didn't care if the South went broke in freeing the slaves with no compensation. But now they are so afraid of the 'debt'. What hypocrits. Glory, glory, hallelujah.

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    Actually the slave owning elites were all about money.

    Abolitionists were all about princinple, godliness, and Christian faith.

    And antislavery southern whites knew that this war the slave owners started because they were too lazy to work for a living was a rich man's war but a poor man's fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JuanBatista View Post
    Actually the slave owning elites were all about money.

    Abolitionists were all about princinple, godliness, and Christian faith.

    And antislavery southern whites knew that this war the slave owners started because they were too lazy to work for a living was a rich man's war but a poor man's fight.
    It's best to not paint one side or the other as righteous in the civil war.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    The political gulf between Austin and Washington has been growing for decades now.

    Washington D.C (aka The Federal Government of the US) has interferred with the States self governance by;:

    Stopping Texas from pursuing reforms of the welfare system into a work fare system

    Failing to provided adequate and functional border controls

    Forcing the State to comply with the racest and sexist policies of the collection of laws know collectively as Affirmative Action

    Disallowing Texas to redistrict itself based upon it's own desires and has forced the unpopular redistricting based upon the racest policies of Minority Representation

    Directing the State to fund, through it's budgetary processes, items which the State has chosen not to fund

    Causing finacial harm and hardships through the actions of the EPA

    Taking jobs out of the State based upon the States belief in Right to Work

    Funding corporations and supporting market segments in other States that directly compete against existing Companies in Texas that do not receive Federal Tax funding, including segments of the market such as the production of alternative energy, which Texas is the largest creater of

    etc, etc

    It is very clear that the Federal Government is progressing towards a Political intity that is oppressive to the beliefs and desires of the Poeples of Texas. As there is no treaty between the Republic of Texas and the United States of America surrendering the sovreignty of the Republic of Texas, and that Texas, after accepting the Joint Resolution of Congress of the United States retained it's debt and continued to do business as the Republic of Texas for a time after joining with the United States, then the Republic of Texas has not been truely desolved and that Texas status is that of a Independent but joined sovreign Republic in it's own right and therefore has the inherent right to remove itself from said joining with the United States as it's citizens see fit.
    Try again. Texas was never independent to begin with, anymore than Chechnya is today independent of Russia.

    And Texas is beomcing a bluer more progressive state all the time. Bush won by 2-1 in 2008 compared to 2012 where the vote was 55-45 for McCain.

    Already this generation of Texans have no racial majority anymore, and that will only increase.

    The independence nonsense is only favored by the most conservative whites, and only slightly under half of them.

    You're demographically on your way out.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It's best to not paint one side or the other as righteous in the civil war.
    Even with the reality that one side was fighting to preserve the enslavement of a race of people!?!?!?!?!?

    Even when the reality is that one side was fighting to destroy the USA?!?!?!?!?!?

    Sorry, but most can recognize the good guys in all this and it sure is not the ones fighting to keep their fellow man in chains.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The war was won four years before. Any suggestion that it caused the decision four years later is purely wild speculation created by you. I provided you with the decisions as written by Chief Justice Chase. It said not a word about victory being the deciding factor.
    "To use the classic summing up phrase of Chief Justice Chase, in the case of Texas vs. White, decided in 1868, the war demonstrated that the United States was 'an indestructible Union of indestructible states.' " (Reconstruction, Robert S. Henry. p. 33)

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Anyone considering the Independence of Texas should also understand what the Republic of Texas was and the territories it covered.

    Attachment 67128378
    "Claimed territory" is another way of saying "loyal to Mexico, but the insurgents were too delusional to admit it."

    All that claimed territory had to be stolen by invasion.

    Even that yellow area was not Texas. It was an "area of sporadic control and ethnic cleansing by the insurgency" as I put on my own map.
    https://www.smashwords.com/books/dow...d-of-texas.pdf

    But it was still Mexico, legally, morally, and de facto, until taken by US invasion.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The war was won four years before. Any suggestion that it caused the decision four years later is purely wild speculation created by you. I provided you with the decisions as written by Chief Justice Chase. It said not a word about victory being the deciding factor.
    Nor did it cite any constitutional prohibition against secession, which means that, per the 10th amendment, the power to secede was reserved to the states.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Even with the reality that one side was fighting to preserve the enslavement of a race of people!?!?!?!?!?

    Even when the reality is that one side was fighting to destroy the USA?!?!?!?!?!?

    Sorry, but most can recognize the good guys in all this and it sure is not the ones fighting to keep their fellow man in chains.
    Take the time to learn your history to see how both sides were not the good guys.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Admittedly my map is far cruder, but a much more accurate reflection of reality in its labels.


    Texas Republic Claims & Reality
    Texas secession?-texas-claims-jpg

    1. Area of Sporadic Control & Ethnic Cleansing by Anglo-American Proslavery
    Insurgency
    2. Territory & People Remaining Loyal to Mexico, Claimed by Insurgents But
    With No Actual Control Whatsoever.

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