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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Oppression is granting other human beings their rights, I guess.
    Makes no sense.

    The Southern States were not allowed the right to secede.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post

    The Southern states were being oppressed. They consisted of the Southern white people.
    Was that an ethnic or religious group?


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Howdy,

    Let's assume times get tough, the US dollar crashes or something of that magnitude. Would you mind Texas secession if they choose to?

    the USA could just sell it off to Mexico.... or we could trade it for the Baja peninsula and extend California.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    they have no right to self determination within their geographical political block?
    Of course, but within the limits set by the federal government. If CO decides to buck the power structure and legalize marijuana, the Federal government could use their authority to put the state back in line. And that's just one little difference in drug policy. You're talking about a whole section of the US completely refusing to comply with the Federal government.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    Makes no sense.

    The Southern States were not allowed the right to secede.

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    Because there was no legitimate grievance.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I'd like to take it... but I can't come up with a moral justification .. I don't fall on the side that disallows succession.
    What he said. I have can offer no moral justification from preventing anyone from seceding.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Was that an ethnic or religious group?
    That is who was being oppressed. Does have to be an ethnic or religious group? No. Doesn't even have to be any oppression. Just the desire to self-rule. Why don't you answer the question I asked about the Constitution prior to 1861? Why? Because there isn't anything in the Constitution that makes secession illegal prior to 1861.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    If individuals can't secede, why can large numbers of individuals do it?

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Because there was no legitimate grievance.
    There was plenty of legitimate grievance. But that is not the point. It isn't necessary.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    What he said. I have can offer no moral justification from preventing anyone from seceding.
    There's no moral justification, just a realist one. National security and stability ahead of liberty and self-determination. I don't even think the realist justification is strong looking at similar examples in other parts of the world.

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