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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why would it even matter what the personal writings of a founder say?
    I don't know, maybe because it might lead you to understand that Texas v. White is completely full of it?

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Oh so that is why you support using people and fining them when they leave your claw? Is that why we tax people all around the world when they don't even live here and you support it? Whatever Hay. Just admit you love using people for their taxes. Hell you have admitted it before, should I just quote it and get it over with or will you just admit the obvious?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I don't know, maybe because it might lead you to understand that Texas v. White is completely full of it?
    Why? I could not care less what one individual said nearly a century before the problem arose.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why? I could not care less what one individual said nearly a century before the problem arose.
    That was genius hay. They talked about secession over and over again. The civil war didn't change anything about the topic.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That was genius hay. They talked about secession over and over again. The civil war didn't change anything about the topic.
    "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

    It's pretty simple, really. The power to secede is not prohibited and is therefore a reserved power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That was genius hay. They talked about secession over and over again. The civil war didn't change anything about the topic.
    Now here is where real genius comes in: if you know this and all your libertarian fellow true believers know this, and the founders knew this, why was this kept such a big secret when the Supreme Court decided the issue?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

    It's pretty simple, really. The power to secede is not prohibited and is therefore a reserved power.
    Or it is not a power at all - reserved or otherwise. My birth certificate does not bar me from flying on my own power. But guess what?
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Or it is not a power at all - reserved or otherwise. My birth certificate does not bar me from flying on my own power. But guess what?
    The constitution does not prohibit the states from seceding, therefore they may.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    The constitution does not prohibit the states from seceding, therefore they may.
    You make it sound so simple. I wonder why that point was lost on the US Supreme Court when they decided the issue?

    It is always rather curious how the LewRockwell.com crowd sees things so crystal clear but yet the Supreme Court managed a far different conclusion.

    Chief Justice Chase in the White decision

    The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "be perpetual." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "to form a more perfect Union." It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by these words. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?[7]
    After establishing the origin of the nation, Chase next addressed Texas' relationship to that Union. He rejected the notion that Texas had merely created a compact with the other states; rather, he said it had in fact incorporated itself into an already existing indissoluble political body.[16]


    When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States.[7]
    Yeah.... I know..... if only Lewrockwell.com had been around. Then they would have been schooled differently.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You make it sound so simple. I wonder why that point was lost on the US Supreme Court when they decided the issue?

    It is always rather curious how the LewRockwell.com crowd sees things so crystal clear but yet the Supreme Court managed a far different conclusion.
    ...and queue the hand waving.

    It's right there in black and white. Do you see anything in the constitution that places a restriction on any state leaving the union?

    Nope, didn't think so.

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