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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    One can remain part of the 'union' and be against the Constitution and be traitor. Just as the North did. One can leave the union but be patriotic toward the union because they are supporting the Constitution.

    Just because one secedes doensn't make them the traitor. Union for the sake of union is stupid. It must be based on law. And when that law is ignored by a major section then they have destroyed the union because they cease to proved others their rights under the agreed law. That is not union. That is treason.

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    And it is interesting that the official body who has the job of determining just those things have decided that YOUR POSITION is wrong.

    A formal SC decision says otherwise. Even Antonin Scalia - arguable the most conservative current SC Justice - says otherwise.

    So can pontificate all you want about the law and union and the Constitution but those who are actually responsible for those things disagree with your position.

    I will take reality over ideology every day of the week... twice today being a Sunday.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    they have destroyed the union because they cease to proved others their rights
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    But holding other people as property is completely acceptable.


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And it is interesting that the official body who has the job of determining just those things have decided that YOUR POSITION is wrong.

    A formal SC decision says otherwise. Even Antonin Scalia - arguable the most conservative current SC Justice - says otherwise.
    Yes, that official body flouted and disregarded the Constitution, making them wrong with the Constitution. That official body determined that union based on the Constitution was no good. So, they went to a different and higher law.

    Again, they destroyed the glue which held the union together. They are the traitors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Destroying the USA. Its pretty basic.
    So destroying the US is letting unhappy members leave and come?

    How has it worked out not allowing them to leave? Everyone is united, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    But holding other people as property is completely acceptable.
    Holding people as property was acceptable in 1776-1865. Protected by the Constitution.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    We are talking about secession from the USA.... and that nation has 311 million people.
    Yes, I am aware. I was simply correcting your statement that we live in a society of 311 million people. We actually live in a society with 6 billion people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That is just nonsense. I want no slaves.
    Oh so that is why you support using people and fining them when they leave your claw? Is that why we tax people all around the world when they don't even live here and you support it? Whatever Hay. Just admit you love using people for their taxes. Hell you have admitted it before, should I just quote it and get it over with or will you just admit the obvious?

    People who would destroy the USA label themselves as unamerican and unpatriotic by their views and their actions.
    Whatever that means. I guess that is why you support the twisting of the welfare clause, the necessary and proper clause, the commerce clause, the second amendment, the first amendment, the tenth amendment, the issue of secession and every other part you can use to your advantage because you are a patriot.

    The problem with some on the far right is that they refuse to accept that they live in a society with 311 million other people and they are not the law unto themselves.
    Oh yes, that is it! That is why we are against your tax structure. You totally got us there.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And it is interesting that the official body who has the job of determining just those things have decided that YOUR POSITION is wrong.

    A formal SC decision says otherwise. Even Antonin Scalia - arguable the most conservative current SC Justice - says otherwise.

    So can pontificate all you want about the law and union and the Constitution but those who are actually responsible for those things disagree with your position.

    I will take reality over ideology every day of the week... twice today being a Sunday.
    You disregard the Constitution and Supreme Court decisions prior to the War between the States. But you want others to adhere to the Supreme Court decisions today. Typical yankee. Your for the Constitution when you like it. And others better obey. But when you don't like it, you must resort to a higher law or principle. Because you are the people. Your the ones who say whats right or wrong and how we are to live. Thats why your damnyankees.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It is difficult to tell from your usual enigmatic flippant shorthand drive-by response what exactly you mean...... I imagine you are confusing the PERFECT with SAFE. Sorry, but that just does not fly.

    So please enlighten us as the the libertarian plan to both abolish the FDA and provide safe medicines and drugs for 311 million people.
    Hey, I'm not always making the case that the FDA is better than allowing people due process when we both know people die NOW for the exact same reasons.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Whatever that means. I guess that is why you support the twisting of the welfare clause, the necessary and proper clause, the commerce clause, the second amendment, the first amendment, the tenth amendment, the issue of secession and every other part you can use to your advantage because you are a patriot.
    I would think that a patriot would leave neighboring and distant republics alone and allow them to govern themselves. I would never be party to staging an invasion of Texas or any other of my neighbor republics just to squelch their right to self-government.

    Unless society is going to consolidate into a single, massive, world government, then there is a very good reason to allow people to form their own local polities and lives their lives how they want, not how I think they should.

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