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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    So the debt that was spent in Texas? What about the debt incurred by Texans who were president. Like Iraq and Medicare?

    Oh, I forgot. Texas rules and everyone else can suck it.
    Lol. They were a president of the United States and the debt is under the name of the Federal government of the United States. It's pretty straight forward.
    Last edited by Henrin; 05-26-12 at 11:31 AM.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    How does it feel. How does it feel.

    Didn't matter to the North in 1861-1865.

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    It did matter in 1861. Thus the war.


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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Lol. They were a president of the United States and the debt is under the name of the United States. It's pretty straight forward.
    Texas is part of the United States. I think that some of it belongs to them.

    If I secede from my family, I still owe money on my house. If my wife gets it in the divorce, it's still on me until she refinances.

    Or should we just all be free of our debt? Go "occupy" something...


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    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    But I thought slavery had nothing to do with secession. At least keep your story straight.

    By the way, human beings aren't property. If you don't like that, go put on your sheets and burn a cross.
    As I said, slavery was an issue. Not the cause. The cause of secession was the North's disregard of the South's protection under the Constitution.

    Human beings were property until after the War between the States. Protected by the Constitution. If you don't like that then you can admit that your forebearers were traitor to the Constitution. I understand it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It did matter in 1861. Thus the war.
    That was the point. It didn't matter to the North that they were going to have their way and the south was not. Even though the South's was protected by the Constitution. They would go to war to prove it.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Texas is part of the United States. I think that some of it belongs to them.

    If I secede from my family, I still owe money on my house. If my wife gets it in the divorce, it's still on me until she refinances.

    Or should we just all be free of our debt? Go "occupy" something...
    Man, the yankee hates to lose his money. They didn't care if the South went broke in freeing the slaves with no compensation. But now they are so afraid of the 'debt'. What hypocrits. Glory, glory, hallelujah.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Texas is part of the United States. I think that some of it belongs to them.
    Party A China

    Party B Federal government

    Deal with it.

    If I secede from my family, I still owe money on my house. If my wife gets it in the divorce, it's still on me until she refinances.
    Contracts can be assholes, can't they?

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    from Centinel on the practical impact of Texas leaving the USA

    Q: What happens to the federal land and buildings and workers in Texas?



    They should not be allowed to leave unless they pay in full for what they keep.
    As I said above, one option would be for Texas not to take federal lands at all but to leave them as owned by the US government. Personally, I favor that option, since taxes on those lands would provide a valuable source of income.

    Again, they must pay their bills BEFORE being allowed to leave. That money is owed to the American people and I as an American citizen would not trust someone who is spitting on the nation and turning traitor.
    So you would be satisfied if Texas paid its 7% of the US government's debt prior to secession?

    Q: What happens to Texans and Social Security and Medicare?

    I would go much further. Anyone staying in the foreign nation of Texas would be renouncing not only their citizenship in the USA but all benefits as well.

    Q: What happens to citizens of Texas who still want to be part of the USA?

    Nope. Not good enough. If they stay in Texas - they give up the USA.

    Q: What happens to citizens of the other 49 states who now want to move to Texas and their Social Security and Medicare and share of the debt?

    It should not be that easy. It should be punitive. It should discourage other states from simply leaving willy nilly as the mood hits them. This should be something not done easily. It should be something that comes with a high price tag both in dollars and in the loss of other benefits.

    Texas would indeed be a foreign nation. But it would be unique in that it spit in the face of both America and the American people by leaving our union and giving us the middle finger salute. The rest of us should not be nice about this. The rest of us should make this as hard as possible. Texas would be a foreign nation and we should treat them as a pariah and the people of Texas should know the price they will pay for their insolence.

    And that would apply to any other state which wants to go that way.

    There must be a price to pay and that price should be a high one.
    I am at a loss trying to understand your vindictive attitude. What particular interest is it of yours whether the people of texas are a state in the US or whether they are a friendly neighbor country like Canada? I don't understand why you have such a stake in being the boss of Texas.

    Oh well, the world has always had to deal with power hungry consolidators, and empires never last forever.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Howdy,

    Let's assume times get tough, the US dollar crashes or something of that magnitude. Would you mind Texas secession if they choose to?

    Texas reminds me of the child that wants to rebel and leave home having little resources available to them to sustain themselves for long. Let them go if they want. They'll either come back with a lowered chin or find someone else to lean on until they become more mature.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    How does it feel. How does it feel.

    Didn't matter to the North in 1861-1865.

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