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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You are advocating outright theft from the American people.
    How does it feel. How does it feel.

    Just like the North wanted the South to free its slaves with no compensation.

    How does it feel.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Maybe so, but you can't undo that doodle.
    Oh, Im not talking about undoing the doodle. Im talking about secession.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If a state is leaving the union they have no obligation to respect the debt of the country they are leaving. China can suck it.

    If a country is leaving and their federal land on their property and it either be bought or given to the state. I made no mistake.
    Right, you get everything, and China can suck it. That sounds reasonable.



    Nuclear weapons would most likely be returned to the federal government.
    MOST LIKELY? Nuclear weapons are involved and the answer is MOST LIKELY?




    That makes no sense. They are citizens of the United States and if they live in another state they naturally would not lose it.
    Right. Texans get everything, and everyone else can suck it.


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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    Oh, Im not talking about undoing the doodle. Im talking about secession.

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    You are talking about undoing the doodle. "Maybe we should have thought of that." Yeah, maybe so, but what's done is done. We can't just go back and say, "We'd like a redo."


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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You are advocating outright theft from the American people.
    Nope.

    Federal land/buildings:

    One the federal government give it up.
    Two they keep it and provide Texas with revenue
    Three Texas buys it from the federal government.

    Debt:

    The US debt is the debt of the United States. Texas debt would 0 at the start of their country unless they accepted to pay a share of the debt of the US.

    welfare programs:

    They are programs by the United States and if Texas left the union these programs would not apply to them. There is no further theft taking place by not respecting laws of other countries like their welfare programs.

    The rest I can't even think of how it would be theft.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    from Centinel on the practical impact of Texas leaving the USA

    Q: What happens to the federal land and buildings and workers in Texas?

    A couple of options: They could remain federal property indefinitely. Or they could remain federal property for a specific period of time, after which they would revert to being owned by texas. They could immediately be made texas property (not a very friendly option, in my opinion). Or they could be purchased. Leaving them as property of the US might be a good option, as they would then provide a good source of tax revenue for texas.
    They should not be allowed to leave unless they pay in full for what they keep.

    Q: What happens to the share of the national debt that Texans owe?
    If I were them, I would do something like this. Since they are appx. 7% of the US population, they owe about 7% of the national debt. They should take on roughly 7% of this debt, relieving the US gov't of paying this amount. Essentially, 7% of the debt would transfer as an obligation to Texas.
    Again, they must pay their bills BEFORE being allowed to leave. That money is owed to the American people and I as an American citizen would not trust someone who is spitting on the nation and turning traitor.

    Q: What happens to Texans and Social Security and Medicare?
    Those Texans who renounced their US citizenship and become citizens of Texas would no longer be entitled to these benefits. Those who chose to remain US citizens and reside in Texas as visitors would still be entitled to their benefits.
    I would go much further. Anyone staying in the foreign nation of Texas would be renouncing not only their citizenship in the USA but all benefits as well.



    Q: What happens to citizens of Texas who still want to be part of the USA?
    They could remain in Texas as visiting US citizens, or they could emigrate to the US.
    Nope. Not good enough. If they stay in Texas - they give up the USA.

    Q: What happens to citizens of the other 49 states who now want to move to Texas and their Social Security and Medicare and share of the debt?
    I suppose it would be the same as a US citizen moving to any other foreign nation. They could either live in that foreign nation as a visitor, remaining a citizen of the US, or they could become a citizen of that foreign nation and renounce their US citizenship. After that, the would not longer be entitled to the benefits of being a US citizen, such as social security and medicare.
    It should not be that easy. It should be punitive. It should discourage other states from simply leaving willy nilly as the mood hits them. This should be something not done easily. It should be something that comes with a high price tag both in dollars and in the loss of other benefits.

    Texas would indeed be a foreign nation. But it would be unique in that it spit in the face of both America and the American people by leaving our union and giving us the middle finger salute. The rest of us should not be nice about this. The rest of us should make this as hard as possible. Texas would be a foreign nation and we should treat them as a pariah and the people of Texas should know the price they will pay for their insolence.

    And that would apply to any other state which wants to go that way.

    There must be a price to pay and that price should be a high one.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    How does it feel. How does it feel.

    Just like the North wanted the South to free its slaves with no compensation.

    How does it feel.

    Quantrill
    But I thought slavery had nothing to do with secession. At least keep your story straight.

    By the way, human beings aren't property. If you don't like that, go put on your sheets and burn a cross.


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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post

    Debt:

    The US debt is the debt of the United States. Texas debt would 0 at the start of their country unless they accepted to pay a share of the debt of the US.

    .

    So the debt that was spent in Texas? What about the debt incurred by Texans who were president. Like Iraq and Medicare?

    Oh, I forgot. Texas rules and everyone else can suck it.


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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    You are talking about undoing the doodle. "Maybe we should have thought of that." Yeah, maybe so, but what's done is done. We can't just go back and say, "We'd like a redo."
    Im talking about the freedom of secession. The States should have it.

    We could get our history straight and recognize that the South wasn't the traitor. The North was. Are you willing to get your history straight?

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    So the debt that was spent in Texas? What about the debt incurred by Texans who were president. Like Iraq and Medicare?

    Oh, I forgot. Texas rules and everyone else can suck it.
    How does it feel. How does it feel.

    Didn't matter to the North in 1861-1865.

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