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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    Oh yeah. Whose the traitors now?

    Whose the biggots now?

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    The Confederates were.

    So are Texas secessionists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Nothing pains me more to see Quantrill try to argue for something I even semi-agree with, because you're right, he certainly makes us look bad. I'm not one of the confederacy idiots, I'm not a white pride moron, and I'm not uneducated. I however simply believe that an independent republic of Texas could be a really good thing. We have the population, we have the geography, and we have the resources. There are many a great nation with far less than what we would have.

    Maybe I'm not bound by some sense of American nationalism to try to keep Texas part of the union. Although a little melodramatic, I see this country in flames and would like to see a different approach.
    May I ask, are you involved with the secession movement?
    And are you aware that secesson sentiment in TX is virtually all among very conservative whites? The Latino population would oppose this to their last breath, as would progressive cities like Austin.
    Any secession attempt would lead to violence and a shattered state.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    Well, if you don't like the discusssion, then go somewhere else. Or maybe you would like to answer the question, if slavery was protected by the Constitution, then why should the South secede to preserve slavery?

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    Because the constitution could be amended. Did you never take a govt class in your life? Did you sleep thru every history class that ever talked about why the slave owners always wanted an equal number of slave and free states? To block any const amendments.

    And again, the slave owning elite is not the south.

    For that matter, not even those elites would anything to do with someone named Quantrill. The man was a butcher who mass murdered civilians, a bandit posing as a soldier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    So like with America and England in the past, the message may have to be made with blood?

    Personally I think it's ironic how we split from England in the past, but are oh so adamant about allowing a state like Texas to do the same peacefully.
    A colony is not the same as a state. Imagine if the wealthy factory owners of Liverpool decided to secede because they objected to child labor laws. How credible would their claim of the right of secession be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    The reality of the period was that the Constitution supported the South. Not the North. The South was not triator to the Constitution. The North was.

    Thus the Confederate flag is not one of treason, but patriotism. Just not the yankee patriotism which ignored the Constitution.

    You see, when the South lost, America lost. But, the yankees won. The traitors.

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    Problem with that is, most Southerners were pro Union.

    The bigger problem is that the US was far too generous to Confederate traitors. And so the Confederate traitors became the terrorist KKK and White Leagues, winning by terrorism and reestablishing white supremacy what they could not win on the battlefield.

    And so the US lost when the terrorist KKK won by terrorism. If the US had executed most CSA leaders, the civil rights movement would've been a success, not in the 1950s and 60s, but in the
    1860s and 70s.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Talk, talk, talk and no action. This doesn't seem to be going anywhere. I just want to know if there is anything we can do to help? I know a great many of us, though we might miss Texas, we would nonetheless be happy to do what we could to help.
    Most Texans don't want any such "help." We'd kick the tails of the secessionists if they ever made a serious effort.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    Really? And what do you base that on?

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    Every history written by every reputable historian ever to write about the Civil War.

    Hint: When you get your history from websites with the Confederate Flag at the top, it's likely not to be too accurate.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    I see the federal government as a voluntary compact among a group of sovereign states. If any state wishes to leave, they can. The people of the other 49 states are not the owners of Texas.
    To see the united states as an agreement between countries is naive nowadays. More over we need to solidate our country with our federal government and not the states.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by JuanBatista View Post
    Because the constitution could be amended. Did you never take a govt class in your life? Did you sleep thru every history class that ever talked about why the slave owners always wanted an equal number of slave and free states? To block any const amendments.

    And again, the slave owning elite is not the south.

    For that matter, not even those elites would anything to do with someone named Quantrill. The man was a butcher who mass murdered civilians, a bandit posing as a soldier.
    He also apparently was a deserter and a coward who personally murdered a number of civilians in Lawrence, Kansas.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    It seems very plain to me that no State ever declared itself to be a nation unto itself.
    I still disagree with your contention that the colonies never became free, sovereign, and independent states. It appears that they considered themselves to be free and independent.

    We've already seen that at the end of the revolutionary war they signed a treaty that proclaimed them to be free and independent states.

    Also, the articles of confederation proclaim them to be free and independent states.

    Finally, we have the declaration of independence itself:

    We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.[emphasis added]

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