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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by dabateman View Post
    Actually, the moron is the person that reads the judges statement to mean that the law is informed by the pledge when clearly the judge stated that the pledge is informed by the law. God forbid Scalia use an example.
    God forbid he actually reference how the pledge of alliance means anything and how it was CREATED AFTER Texas v. White that didn't reflect the LAW.

    He is a moron.

    The pledge of alliance is an ideal on a false reality.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    God forbid he actually reference how the pledge of alliance means anything and how it was CREATED AFTER Texas v. White that didn't reflect the LAW.

    He is a moron.

    The pledge of alliance is an ideal on a false reality.
    Actually Texas v. White held that states could not unilaterally leave the union. That became the law. The pledge coming after Texas v. White PROVES it couldn't be the way you say. The pledge is reflective of the law.

    It's reflective, not representative... there's a difference.

    Nuance. It's important.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    In my opinion, it was those Southern elitists who voted for secession in 1860 and today it includes those who continue to deny the reality of the period and seemingly advocate a return to that time when a segment of the population wasn't considered fully human. It definitely includes those who continue to fly a flag that represents those 19th C traitors as they promote racial division, advocate for the destruction of the United States and in some cases act in violent manner against the legitimate government.

    So that is who I think the "traitors are now"
    The reality of the period was that the Constitution supported the South. Not the North. The South was not triator to the Constitution. The North was.

    Thus the Confederate flag is not one of treason, but patriotism. Just not the yankee patriotism which ignored the Constitution.

    You see, when the South lost, America lost. But, the yankees won. The traitors.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by dabateman View Post
    Actually Texas v. White held that states could not unilaterally leave the union. That became the law. The pledge coming after Texas v. White PROVES it couldn't be the way you say. The pledge is reflective of the law.

    It's reflective, not representative... there's a difference.

    Nuance. It's important.
    Except the law of land never changed and it still holds that secession is legal. A horrible ruling might allow idiots to claim otherwise, but it doesn't change the reality of what is written.

    In order for him to claim that the pledge of alliance is accurate he actually has to defend Texas v. White and he can't possibly do that without looking like a fool.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    "Provided" the state of S. Carolina retained jurisdiction for service of civil and criminal process. Nearly all the lands that were ceded to the US government by S. Carolina had this Service to Process clause. See.....

    There was nothing in the 1836 SC resolution that said the US government had to go and everything that said it could stay. If you think otherwise, then prove it.

    Yes, I can see why the Fort wasn't in use because...THEY WERE STILL BUILDING IT!!! ROTFL.
    South Carolina retained jursdiction. They still existed. The Federal govts right to the land no longer did. In other words, we are leaving your union and you need to leave our land.

    Don't need anything in the 1836 resolution to say anything. The land was not the Federal govts. Its belonged to S. Carolina. When she seceded, then the Fed. govt has to leave. They are tresspassing.

    Still building it. Since 1829. Unfinished maybe. Oh yeah, it offered a lot of protection.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    The reality of the period was that the Constitution supported the South. Not the North. The South was not triator to the Constitution. The North was.

    Thus the Confederate flag is not one of treason, but patriotism. Just not the yankee patriotism which ignored the Constitution.

    You see, when the South lost, America lost. But, the yankees won. The traitors.

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    Like I wrote - neoconfederates are traitors to the United States of America - you claim to be a "True Amurrican" while verbally attacking the nation as it is, as the Constitution formed it.


    The interpretation of the Constitution by the modern confederate movement is based on false history and a sense of white supremacy with next to zero legal justification.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    It ain't never gonna happen.....



    Thank you Connery for first posting this on page one. lol
    Yes, thanks for that. Its proof that war settled the secession issue, not the Constitution. Proof that yankees rejected the Constitution until they could subdue the South. And then they could rewrite the Constitution. And man o man you better obey now. Because they had their hands in writing it. Bring up higher law now and see where it gets you. There is no end to their hypocrisy.

    Oh yeah. Whose the traitors now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Like I wrote - neoconfederates are traitors to the United States of America - you claim to be a "True Amurrican" while verbally attacking the nation as it is, as the Constitution formed it.
    Lol and yet every time you people try to defend Texas v. White the reality of what those words mean and the lack of power behind them shoot you in the face.

    The interpretation of the Constitution by the modern confederate movement is based on false history and a sense of white supremacy with next to zero legal justification.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by dabateman View Post
    Actually Texas v. White held that states could not unilaterally leave the union. That became the law. The pledge coming after Texas v. White PROVES it couldn't be the way you say. The pledge is reflective of the law.

    It's reflective, not representative... there's a difference.

    Nuance. It's important.
    First of all, that was 1869. After the War between the States. During the Reconstruction years and Courts. Which were puposefully seated with yankee partisans. This decision plays a role now. It played no role then prior to the war. Second of all, give the exact quote that indicates that states could not leave the union.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Like I wrote - neoconfederates are traitors to the United States of America - you claim to be a "True Amurrican" while verbally attacking the nation as it is, as the Constitution formed it.


    The interpretation of the Constitution by the modern confederate movement is based on false history and a sense of white supremacy with next to zero legal justification.
    Pay attention. We are discussing the war between the states. I know you would like to change the subject to present day because you have nothing to show the south was traitor in that war. And if the South was not traitor in that day, then we who are Southern are not traitor today either.

    You say false history. Yet you offer nothing to prove it. Did the Constitution protect slavery? Did the Supreme Court uphold the Southernors right to slavery? How did the South disobey the Constitution?

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