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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I don't know to which "guys" you refer. As for your question, however, I do not believe the States saw themselves as little nations unto themselves, no, which is what you're suggesting. They saw themselves as the Unites States of America, which is evident if you read the Declaration. It says, "We the People of the United States ..." it doesn't say "We the People of the Thirteen Colonies ..." or "We the Thirteen Colonies of the United States ..." or any other variation thereof.
    Their articles of confederation specifically said that each state retained its sovereignty. This implies that each state entered into the confederation as an already free, sovereign, and independent state.

    So despite two a primary documents from the time clearly indicating that the thirteen colonies were free, independent, and sovereign states, you continue to claim that this was not the case?

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    So we have the peace treaty between Great Britain and her former colonies in which is is documented that they are now free, sovereign, and independent states. But you guys don't take this as evidence that they regarded themselves and each other as such. Perhaps this one document was a fluke.

    How about the articles of confederation: "Article II. Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every Power, Jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled." So we have documentation that each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence. The use of the word "retain" seems to indicate that sovereignty, independence, and freedom are preexisting attributes of each of the states.
    Did they retain that wording in the Constitution? Or did they throw it out along with a lot of other stuff that didn't make sense?
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Did they retain that wording in the Constitution? Or did they throw it out along with a lot of other stuff that didn't make sense?
    We're not talking about the constitution. We are discussing whether or not the 13 colonies were free, sovereign, and independent states prior to the constitution.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The colonies were never a "state" of England. They were an outpost that the British barely acknowledged until they needed tax slaves to pay off their war debt.

    If the majority of people in Texas wanted to secceed from the union then where are they? All I see is a bunch of looney politicians using this as political fodder to pander to far right extremists.
    I haven't read all 600+ posts, but what do you think of this? Do you think no state can ever secede from the USA?

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    We're not talking about the constitution. We are discussing whether or not the 13 colonies were free, sovereign, and independent states prior to the constitution.
    Probably a mistake but as "colonies" the various groups that became states following the Revolution were in no shape, fashion or form "free, sovereign, and independent states"

    Now - are you John Remington Graham?
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I haven't read all 600+ posts, but what do you think of this? Do you think no state can ever secede from the USA?

    Yes, under our present system - NO state can secede
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Did they retain that wording in the Constitution? Or did they throw it out along with a lot of other stuff that didn't make sense?
    They sure has hell didn't reverse it or say otherwise.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    It ain't never gonna happen.....

    Thank you Connery for first posting this on page one. lol
    Anyone that thinks the pledge of alliance means anything is a moron. Yup, I just called the judge a moron.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Yes, under our present system - NO state can secede
    Why is this?

    Why can't a state secede if it wants to, especially if that state thinks the nation's government is growing out of control?

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Anyone that thinks the pledge of alliance means anything is a moron. Yup, I just called the judge a moron.
    Actually, the moron is the person that reads the judges statement to mean that the law is informed by the pledge when clearly the judge stated that the pledge is informed by the law. God forbid Scalia use an example.

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