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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    The attack on Fort Sumter was a declaration of war.
    So basically it was act of war to take back what you own. D:

    Ok?
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So basically it was act of war to back what you own. D:

    Ok?
    It was an act of war because they waged war against a US Military base. Should we have just let Peal Harbor and 9/11 slide, too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    It was an act of war because they waged war against a US Military base. Should we have just let Peal Harbor and 9/11 slide, too?
    Don't be daft. The only reason the North didn't leave the fort is because Lincoln needed an excuse to have his war so he dared the south to attack Fort Sumter by ignoring their request to leave the fort at once. He was told very clearly by his advisers this would lead to war, but since that is what he wanted he ignored his advisers and ordered the men to stay in the fort.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Don't be daft. The only reason the North didn't leave the fort is because Lincoln needed an excuse to have his war so he dared the south to attack Fort Sumter by ignoring their request to leave the fort at once. He was told very clearly by his advisers this would lead to war, but since that is what he wanted he ignored his advisers and ordered the men to stay in the fort.
    The Confederacy knew the consequences, and killed US Soldiers anyway. They brought it upon themselves.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Don't be daft. The only reason the North didn't leave the fort is because Lincoln needed an excuse to have his war so he dared the south to attack Fort Sumter by ignoring their request to leave the fort at once. He was told very clearly by his advisers this would lead to war, but since that is what he wanted he ignored his advisers and ordered the men to stay in the fort.
    This has got to be one of the dumbest things i've ever read on the forum. What is Lincoln supposed to order the US Army to do, just clear the **** out of Fort Sumter and let the South have their secession? The war was fought because one side sought to keep the Union together, while the other sought to divide it in two. Not because Lincoln was scheming for a civil war, but because the South knew that's what it would take to gain their own independence.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    The Confederacy knew the consequences, and killed US Soldiers anyway. They brought it upon themselves.
    When you are ordered to leave property you do not own and you decide to stay you are giving your opponent no choice but to attack and kill you. Lincoln knew what was going to happen by ignoring the order and he still did it.
    Last edited by Henrin; 05-23-12 at 01:43 AM.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    This has got to be one of the dumbest things i've ever read on the forum. What is Lincoln supposed to order the US Army to do, just clear the **** out of Fort Sumter and let the South have their secession? The war was fought because one side sought to keep the Union together, while the other sought to divide it in two. Not because Lincoln was scheming for a civil war, but because the South knew that's what it would take to gain their own independence.
    1. Leaving the union was NOT illegal.

    2. Lincoln was to respect that the fort was not his and the actions by the south were not illegal.

    3. He was to therefore leave the fort when ordered to do so.

    4. It is a fact that Lincoln needed to make the south look like the aggressor and there is no better way to do it than what he did.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Hey how about the ask a Texan thread? see ya'll there.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    When you are ordered to leave property you do not own and you decide to stay you are giving your opponent no choice but to attack and kill you. Lincoln knew what was going to happen by ignoring the order and he still did it.
    The Confederate states were, and still are property of the US government
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    The Confederate states were, and still are property of the US government
    And you got that from??

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