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    Re: Texas secession?

    Let me pose a hypothetical question...

    IF a large majority of Texans (or whatever state, really) decided they didn't want to be part of the USA anymore....

    ... what is your moral justification for making them stay? And could this justification also be used to prevent someone as an individual from leaving the US and renouncing their citizenship, but taking their assets with them?


    I'll be interested in the answers to this...

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Germany is techincally a "Federation of States" many of which were independent up until the Prussians forced a unification. We should allow them to split up into a whole bunch of warring factions? Cause that sounds like a great recipe for peace to have a major nation plum in the middle of Europe.

    Fine, secede. We'll be sending in troops to occupy Federal property, and the Interstate Highways we built. We'll also be confiscating your currency, as it's United States currency. Enjoy converting everybody's life savings into pesos.
    sending troops into Texas would be one choice the federal government could make.. or they could decide to negotiate a mutually amendable break.

    war is not the only option, but it certainly is an option.

    I don't really understand the anti-secessionist habit of calling for war as the first option.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Which ethinc and religious group was being oppressed?
    Why do you say ethnic and religious now? You didn't say it before.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Ya'll know why Texas doesn't fall off into the Gulf of Mexico?



    Because Oklahoma sucks so much
    Last edited by winston53660; 05-19-12 at 11:47 AM.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Lololol.. read the economic history of the last time Texas secceeded.....
    You mean due to the War Between the States.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Lololol.. read the economic history of the last time Texas secceeded.....
    economics have changed drastically since the last foray into succession... as has just about everything.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Ya'll know why Texas doesn't fall of into the Gulf of Mexico?



    Because Oklahoma sucks so much
    I heard that Oklahoma sucking so much also causes the wind to blow through Texas

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    Its not a question of why should anyone want to leave. Its a question of can they leave. Telling me I can't leave because its good for me, doesn't sound good to me.

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    No, they can't leave. It's a union, set up by the Constitution, to have the state subordinate to the federal government. Seceding is balking at that chain of authority. The only way people can revolt or a state can secede is "repeated, multiplied oppressions’ placing it beyond all doubt ‘that their rulers had formed settled plans to deprive them of their liberties,’ could warrant the concerted resistance of the people against their government".

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Texas is a state, not a nation. By the laws of the Constitution, the state is under the federal government in terms of level of authority. Texas agreed to return to the union after their treasonous joining of the Confederacy.

    If anything, Texas (and all the states of the southern Confederacy) should be on the record as being treasonous.
    I simply don't see leaving the union as treason. Treason means to help a foreign government make war against or to help a foreign government overthrow one's government. If Texas were to secede, it would not be helping any foreign government make war against any of the several states, or against the government of the union. It would simply be leaving them alone, and going its own way. It is a non-violent act. The only violence would be if the other states conquered and occupied it.

    And again, I just don't understand why anyone, say, in Pennsylvania would feel that they have any authority to rule over the people of the state of Texas. But I guess that's just me; I'm not a control freak.

    Furthermore, if the dollar crashed, are you saying it would behoove Texas to leave the union and the dollar and start their own currency? How would that help?
    I'm saying they ought to be able to, not that they necessarily should.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    It was never settled by a question of 'right' or 'legal'. It was settled by war. Might made the right. And were a state to try it again, the same thing would occur. Your free. Just don't try to leave.
    You make a good point.

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