Thread: Texas secession?

Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca

Nothing pains me more to see Quantrill try to argue for something I even semi-agree with, because you're right, he certainly makes us look bad. I'm not one of the confederacy idiots, I'm not a white pride moron, and I'm not uneducated. I however simply believe that an independent republic of Texas could be a really good thing. We have the population, we have the geography, and we have the resources. There are many a great nation with far less than what we would have.

Maybe I'm not bound by some sense of American nationalism to try to keep Texas part of the union. Although a little melodramatic, I see this country in flames and would like to see a different approach.

I see where you're coming from, but this country has been through some pretty bad times. We made it out alright then, we'll make it out fine just now, as long as we stay together, and help each other. I don't see a positive outcome stemming from a secession from the US during hard times. The US will get back on its feet, and it won't forget that we bailed when times were tough. It's pure cowardice.

Originally Posted by Quantrill

Well, if you don't like the discusssion, then go somewhere else. Or maybe you would like to answer the question, if slavery was protected by the Constitution, then why should the South secede to preserve slavery?

Quantrill

The Civil War wasn't about slavery, it was about preserving the Union. Slavery was primarily an appeal to emotion in order to garner support on both sides.

Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca

Nothing pains me more to see Quantrill try to argue for something I even semi-agree with, because you're right, he certainly makes us look bad. I'm not one of the confederacy idiots, I'm not a white pride moron, and I'm not uneducated. I however simply believe that an independent republic of Texas could be a really good thing. We have the population, we have the geography, and we have the resources. There are many a great nation with far less than what we would have.

Maybe I'm not bound by some sense of American nationalism to try to keep Texas part of the union. Although a little melodramatic, I see this country in flames and would like to see a different approach.

Perhaps you make us look bad. And oh, it pains me.

Quantrill

Originally Posted by Lokiate

The Civil War wasn't about slavery, it was about preserving the Union. Slavery was primarily an appeal to emotion in order to garner support on both sides.

No the War between the States was about the abuse of power by the north and the Souths right to secession in order to seek peace and happiness outside of the union.

Quantrill

Originally Posted by Quantrill

No the War between the States was about the abuse of power by the north and the Souths right to secession in order to seek peace and happiness outside of the union.

Quantrill

Which is covered under the preservation of the Union. The South wanted to split, the Federal Union said no.

Originally Posted by Lokiate

Which is covered under the preservation of the Union. The South wanted to split, the Federal Union said no.

"preservation of the Union"

That phrase doesn't even mean anything legally. Why even use it?

Originally Posted by Quantrill

Why should the south need to secede to preserve slavery when slavery was protected by the Constitution?

Quantrill

Where in the Constitution is this protection?

Originally Posted by Henrin

"preservation of the Union"

That phrase doesn't even mean anything legally. Why even use it?

Is that supposed to be a serious question?

Originally Posted by Lokiate

Is that supposed to be a serious question?

When the south wants to leave and they have the right to do so, yes it is.

Originally Posted by rocket88

Where in the Constitution is this protection?

Ariticle 4 sec.2.

And the Dred Scott decision by the Supreme Court.

Quantrill