Thread: Texas secession?

Originally Posted by JuanBatista

Again, most southerners were loyal Americans. It was the Confederates, a minority of southerners, who were the traitors.

When you take up arms vs a lawfully elected govt, that makes you a traitor by definition.

As for Lincoln, his own words show him for what he was: a former racist trying to struggle with his conscience. That is what Douglass saw in their many meetings.

Every pres we've had who made great gains in civil rights was a former racist struggling to overcome his own racism, Truman, LBJ, and yes, Lincoln.

BTW, 40 acres was a temporary order by a general in the field, not an official policy. Though it would've been a great one. I always thought Lincoln, had he not been murdered by a Confederate Secret Service agent, might have offered land seized from plantations to all American veterans, Blacks included. And that would have brought many Union vets down south, making it impossible for CSA/KKK terrorism to succeed.

Actually all Southernors were loyal Americans. But we lost the war.

You say many things but support none.

Quantrill

Originally Posted by rocket88

Are you Jefferson Davis or something? The gymnastics to get around the slavery issue are worthy of his memoirs. Of course they seceded, in part, to preserve slavery. They were afraid of losing their slaves. Your head is so full of revisionist history, you can't even see that it was a major issue. You should read some of this guys books:

David Blight | Department of History | Yale University

Or at least one that has an opposite point of view. If you took all the Civil War books published since the end of the Civil War, there's more than one per day, so no doubt there's plenty of material there.

When Lincoln took office, he was no abolitionist. His "house divided" line was more of a prognostication than a statement of intent.

Why should the south need to secede to preserve slavery when slavery was protected by the Constitution?

Quantrill

Originally Posted by rocket88

Lincoln was a racist who thought that blacks were not equal to rights. He thought they belonged in Africa and supported their repatriation to that continent.

He also thought that you should not be able to own another person as property.

Instead of telling us about Lincoln's views, maybe you should show us how enlightened Jeff Davis was on the subject.

You mean how Jeff Davis adopted Jim Limber a negro slave boy. Adopted him, not bought him. Jim Limber was taken from them when Jeff Davis was caught and never to be seen again. How about them yankees. Sho don't wont dem to no dat.

Quantrill

Oh yeah. Whose the traitors now?

Whose the biggots now?

Quantrill

Originally Posted by Quantrill

Oh yeah. Whose the traitors now?

Whose the biggots now?

Quantrill

And this is why people think we're just a bunch of stupid rednecks.

Originally Posted by Lokiate

And this is why people think we're just a bunch of stupid rednecks.

Why, are you a wannabe?

Quantrill

Originally Posted by Quantrill

Why, are you a wannabe?

Quantrill

No, just tired of loud mouthed idiots and braggarts making our state look like a joke. **** your secession, and **** the confederacy that neither of us took any part in, because the world changed a lot since 1865, and we need to be united as a nation more now, than ever.

Originally Posted by MoSurveyor

I see a list of former British Colonies there. I don't see any State names listed, except as they happen to be the same as the colony name, nor in the territory description do I see anything other than the out-boundary of the United States with no mention of any internal boundaries at all.

It specifies that the former colonies were free, sovereign, and independent states does it not?

Originally Posted by Lokiate

No, just tired of loud mouthed idiots and braggarts making our state look like a joke. **** your secession, and **** the confederacy that neither of us took any part in, because the world changed a lot since 1865, and we need to be united as a nation more now, than ever.

Nothing pains me more to see Quantrill try to argue for something I even semi-agree with, because you're right, he certainly makes us look bad. I'm not one of the confederacy idiots, I'm not a white pride moron, and I'm not uneducated. I however simply believe that an independent republic of Texas could be a really good thing. We have the population, we have the geography, and we have the resources. There are many a great nation with far less than what we would have.

Maybe I'm not bound by some sense of American nationalism to try to keep Texas part of the union. Although a little melodramatic, I see this country in flames and would like to see a different approach.

Originally Posted by Lokiate

No, just tired of loud mouthed idiots and braggarts making our state look like a joke. **** your secession, and **** the confederacy that neither of us took any part in, because the world changed a lot since 1865, and we need to be united as a nation more now, than ever.

Well, if you don't like the discusssion, then go somewhere else. Or maybe you would like to answer the question, if slavery was protected by the Constitution, then why should the South secede to preserve slavery?

Quantrill