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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    The supreriority of the anglo-saxon over the negroe was held by both North and South. Including Lincoln.

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    False. See Douglass's quotes about Lincoln.

    And by war's end, the Congress had passed laws mandating equal pay for Black soldiers, as well as those three little constitutional amendments.

    For that matter, don't pretend the Confederacy represents the south. Most southerners were pro Union and not traitourous Confederates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    These are just two quotes to show that it was in the New Englanders thinking that they were losing power and control.
    Delaware isn't part of New England. Are you from Texas or something that you don't know this?
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    Re: Texas secession??

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Hey,

    How about instead we assume that times get tough, the US dollar crashes (or something of that magnitude). Would anyone mind if we simply cut Texas loose?

    Later dudes!

    We've got people to worry about who actually care about these United States!!
    No kidding. And most Texans don't and never have wanted secession.

    That includes during the Civil War, when traitorous Confederates had to resort to a hug campaign of violent intimidation, assassination, lynchings, and bombings, to silence Unionists and drive voer turnout down by a third.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    So this means nothing to you?


    Did each one of them individually issue a Declaration of Independence from England? Did they each seek recognition from foreign powers? Or did they do these things as the United States of America?
    I'm not sure what you are arguing. Are you saying that after winning their independence from Britain the former colonies did not become free, independent, and sovereign states?

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by JuanBatista View Post
    Texas is actually near the bottom in almost every index in the country, highest poverty rates, highest dropout rates, highest infant mortality. The only thing low is the taxes, and the two are related.

    The first thing that happens after independence is usually an economic slump caused by lack of confidence in the currency and lack of loans from elsewhere. No reason TX would be different. In fact the small govt mentality guarantees a tanked economy.
    no, it doesn't.

    Texas is pretty low on the list of poverty rates ( 46th)lots of work to do there.. but not bad on infant mortality rate (30th)... couldn't find a state by state ranking of HS drop out... but Texas is just a tad below national average ( at 75.5% graduation rate.. which ain't bad)

    I don't see the utility is speculating a failure or a success... " no reason Texas would be any different" is a lazy approach and precludes the notion that Texas could, in fact, do it very different and have very different results from whatever group of secessionist countries you are comparing them to..

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    As a resident of Texas, I see no reason that Texan's would seek such an action. I am an American first and Texan a close second. With the current situation in Mexico, Texas would soon find itself virtually at war with Mexico. Not a declared war, but a war against the criminal cartels that virtually control Mexico and that would soon try to control Texas. I see no situation that our nation would allow a state to secede without a fight.
    I also get pretty tired of a loud minority of secessionists giving a false impression of the state to everyone else. Even many of those who play with the idea of secession never really would when it came down to it. Secession is a view only strongly held within Texas by a small bunch of, frankly, loons that I wouldn't trust with sharp scissors, much less running a govt.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by JuanBatista View Post
    I also get pretty tired of a loud minority of secessionists giving a false impression of the state to everyone else. Even many of those who play with the idea of secession never really would when it came down to it. Secession is a view only strongly held within Texas by a small bunch of, frankly, loons that I wouldn't trust with sharp scissors, much less running a govt.
    No, they exist all over the US. There's quite a lot in Missouri, actually.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by JuanBatista View Post
    False. See Douglass's quotes about Lincoln.

    And by war's end, the Congress had passed laws mandating equal pay for Black soldiers, as well as those three little constitutional amendments.

    For that matter, don't pretend the Confederacy represents the south. Most southerners were pro Union and not traitourous Confederates.
    How about you show what it is you think Lincoln was.

    Oh yeah, and they promised em 40 acres and a mule. Their still waiting for that. They will wait a lot longer.

    The South wasn't traitors. How can you say that?

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Journal of Libertarian Studies
    Volume 17, no. 4 (Fall 2003), pp. 39100
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    Ludwig von Mises Institute : The Austrian School Is Advancing Liberty
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    THE CONSTITUTIONAL
    RIGHT OF SECESSION IN
    POLITICAL THEORY AND HISTORY



    Please tell the reading audience what the difference(s) might be when comparing the peaceful secessions noted and any such attempt in the US
    Hungary and Norway were both de facto nations, culturally, under the domination of de facto foreign govts with different cultures. Singapore is more complicated since Malaysia didn't exist prior to colonial control.

    Texas really is no different from the rest of the US culturally, all bluster and silly claims to the contrary. In fact different parts of the state are quite different culturally from each other. The southern quarter has more in common with Mexico than east Texas, and the western panhandles also have more in common with New Mexico than with east Texas.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    I'm not sure what you are arguing. Are you saying that after winning their independence from Britain the former colonies did not become free, independent, and sovereign states?
    I'm not arguing anything - I'd just like to see you back up your claim that this was the case. They signed the Declaration of Independence as the "United States of America" and pledged everything they had to each other. What other documents did they sign, issue, or whatever that showed they were ever completely independent of the United States?
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